From: Eeyore on


John Fields wrote:

> On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 21:16:09 +0100, John Woodgate
> <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In message <c687d254mpenqg62t5jc453oqrp9l6sijr(a)4ax.com>, dated Fri, 4
> >Aug 2006, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> writes
> >
> >>In any case, lucky for you that we got dragged into it when we did, no?
> >
> >Yes. Some would say 'providential'. With a capital P, indeed.
>
> ---
> Providential for us, as well, that you were there since you helped
> us in _our_ war with Germany.

That's the most sane thing I think you've said so far in this thread.

Graham

From: Eeyore on


Frank Bemelman wrote:

> "John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
> news:ngj7d2hst8b7oe15nr9ksl8c3t6620fjgg(a)4ax.com...
>
> > What I find incongruous is that so many of you all (Europeans, I
> > guess.) would rather turn a blind eye toward the middle east and let
> > Israel die than to help her. Why is that?
>
> An eye for an eye, not 10 eyes for an eye. Israel has just
> slaughtered too many. It has lost all of its credibility.
> It has no longer the benefit of the doubt.

My own opinion about Israel changed after the slaughters in the refugee camps
like Shatilla.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatilla_Massacre

This is just one reason why Israel doesn't deserve unconditional support.

Graham

From: Eeyore on


John Larkin wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:59:03 -0500, John Fields
> <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:
>
>
> >What I find incongruous is that so many of you all (Europeans, I
> >guess.) would rather turn a blind eye toward the middle east and let
> >Israel die than to help her. Why is that?
>
>
> What's a bigger mystery is why the European press gets so worked up
> over scores of collateral casualties in Lebanon and is silent when
> millions are dying in former European colonies in Africa. It's the
> differential blame game (the US is killing Lebanese; the Africa thing
> has nothing to do with us) with a factor of 1e5 or so.

But it's *not* silent about Africa ! Where did you get that idea ?

Whose idea was it to relieve debtor countries in Africa ( a serious underlting problem
) btw ? Not Dubya's for sure, he's never been keen on the idea and the US refused to
join a plan to help provide clean unpolluted water to developing countries ! Where *do*
you get this stuff ? In Europe, the US is considered notorious for simply not giving a
damn about poor countries.

Graham

From: Eeyore on


John Larkin wrote:

> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:38:45 -0500, John Fields
> <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote:
>
> >As far as the "Nation of Fools" thing goes, even you must be aware
> >that the entire populace didn't vote for Bush. As a matter of fact,
> >only a miniscule percentage of it did, the electors who cast their
> >vote for him.
> >
> >http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2004/allocation.html
> >
> >A lousy system if ever I saw one, and I see no reason why
> >presidential (in fact, _all_) elections couldn't be carried out
> >on-line where the result would truly be popular.
>
> Like the way Tony Blair was elected?

Eh ?

Graham

From: Don Bowey on
On 8/4/06 12:42 PM, in article 44D3A338.CD348BDB(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com,
"Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Don Bowey wrote:
>
>> On 8/3/06 11:36 PM, in article 44D2EADE.852B18ED(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com,
>> "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don Bowey wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe we should not fall into the trap of thinking the few USA bashers
>>>> here
>>>
>>> I'm bashing current US foreign policy, not the country !
>>>
>>> Very representative actually. Not one Brit ( or any European ) has taken the
>>> 'US side' as presented by the right-wingers here.
>>>
>>>> They really are insignificant in the scheme of things.
>>>
>>> Ultimately so will the USA be. Europe's already a bigger market than the USA
>>> with a pop'n of > 500m and will be growing larger still. Ukraine's pop'n
>>> alone
>>> is nearly 50m. Turkey ( if they ever get in ) has 70m.
>>>
>>> Graham
>>
>> The insignificant item is YOU, not your country. Your opinion does not
>> necessarily represent the view of the majority of the UK population.
>
> About 80% of it going by recent polls.
>
>
>> Listening to people like you, Sloman, and Reg, in this setting, is counter
>> productive.
>>
>> But be careful what you wish for; it may come to pass.
>
> Peace is bad - war is good

(snip)


Hey, I like trimming text your way.


No, I mean help may not be so readily available when Bush is out and a
Democratic president is in place. We will spend more on internal affairs
and a whole lot less on aid around the world.


Don