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From: John Larkin on 4 Aug 2006 19:29 On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:59:03 -0500, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:59:18 +0100, Eeyore ><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>John Fields wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:58:14 +0100, Eeyore >>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > >>> >John Fields wrote: >>> > >>> >> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:07:18 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >>> >> <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> >Interesting how hating Saddam made one a weak wimpy leftist back then, >>> >> >and hating him now makes one a strong rightwing patriot. >>> >> >>> >> --- >>> >> And what did hating the US make you back then, >>> > >>> >Probably considered vaguely irrational. >>> > >>> >> and what does it make you now? >>> > >>> >An increasingly popular opinion reflecting concern over the USA's inability to >>> >get the picture. >>> >>> --- >>> I asked what it makes _you_, not what popular opinion was, but no >>> matter. Since you seem to identify with popular opinion, I suggest >>> you're merely one of the sheep who is blindly caught up in a sheep >>> stampede, LOL ;) >> >>I was hard pressed to find a good description. You see I don't *hate* the US nor >>does anyone else I know. >> >>Exasperated about the USA would be more accurate. > >--- >Because we're conducting our affairs in ways of which you >disapprove, and while we're happy to take that into consideration, >in the long run we'll do what we want to. > >What I find incongruous is that so many of you all (Europeans, I >guess.) would rather turn a blind eye toward the middle east and let >Israel die than to help her. Why is that? > What's a bigger mystery is why the European press gets so worked up over scores of collateral casualties in Lebanon and is silent when millions are dying in former European colonies in Africa. It's the differential blame game (the US is killing Lebanese; the Africa thing has nothing to do with us) with a factor of 1e5 or so. John
From: John Larkin on 4 Aug 2006 19:32 On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:38:45 -0500, John Fields <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> wrote: >As far as the "Nation of Fools" thing goes, even you must be aware >that the entire populace didn't vote for Bush. As a matter of fact, >only a miniscule percentage of it did, the electors who cast their >vote for him. > >http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/2004/allocation.html > >A lousy system if ever I saw one, and I see no reason why >presidential (in fact, _all_) elections couldn't be carried out >on-line where the result would truly be popular. Like the way Tony Blair was elected? John
From: John Fields on 4 Aug 2006 19:35 On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:17:17 +0100, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > > >John Fields wrote: > >> On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 05:52:01 +0100, Eeyore >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >John Fields wrote: >> > >> >> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:19:45 +0100, Eeyore >> >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >John Fields wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:08:25 +0100, Eeyore >> >> >> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >In return you got our 'golden jewels' utterly free of charge like radar and jet engines. >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> Hundreds of thousands of American lives lost fighting on your >> >> >> behalf is hardly "free". >> >> > >> >> >On 'our' behalf ? >> >> >> >> --- >> >> Didn't you ask us to get into the war? >> > >> >When we did ask you didn't. >> >> --- >> We would have eventually. Or maybe not, who knows? >> --- >> >> >The USA got into the war on its own account over a dispute with Japan in case you'd forgotten. >> >> --- >> I think "dispute" is a little mild, > >It started off as a dispute. > > >> but there was also the nearly >> simultaneous Declaration of War by Germany, I believe. > >Simultaneous ? Japan and Germany were allies ( the Axis ) so by engaging Japan in war you were >automatically at war with Germany anyway. --- Technically, but I recall reading that Germany issued a formal Declaration of War against the US when, or right after, Pearl Harbor got bombed. --- >> In any case, lucky for you that we got dragged into it when we did, >> no? > >I guess so. It's hard to imagine how it might have gone otherwise but stalemate in Europe is one >possibilty. --- Remote, I think. In my opinion, Russia would have exhausted Germany after Hitler gobbled up Europe, and then Europe would have been Russia's. http://www.2worldwar2.com/russia.htm -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer
From: bill.sloman on 4 Aug 2006 19:38 John Fields wrote: > On 3 Aug 2006 19:41:12 -0700, bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote: > > > > >John Fields wrote: > >> On 3 Aug 2006 15:44:56 -0700, bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >John Fields wrote: > >> >> On 2 Aug 2006 16:37:35 -0700, bill.sloman(a)ieee.org wrote: <snip> > Mighta, coulda... same old BS; nothing concrete, just the wishful > ruminations of an old cow. Whereas all you can produce are "mighta, coulda ...". You don't like my "ruminations" but you can't construct a coherent arguement showing why you think they are wrong. You are up there with the Phat Bytestard in the peanut gallery, telling us that you haven't got a clue about the world, but you do know which view of the world you have been taught to like. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Eeyore on 4 Aug 2006 19:39
John Fields wrote: > On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 20:59:18 +0100, Eeyore > <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote: > > >I was hard pressed to find a good description. You see I don't *hate* the US nor > >does anyone else I know. > > > >Exasperated about the USA would be more accurate. > > --- > Because we're conducting our affairs in ways of which you > disapprove, and while we're happy to take that into consideration, > in the long run we'll do what we want to. > > What I find incongruous is that so many of you all (Europeans, I > guess.) would rather turn a blind eye toward the middle east and let > Israel die than to help her. Why is that? What makes you think we want Israel to 'die' ? There seems to be an entire lack of subtlety in US views such as talking about hate when it's not too. Besides Israel doesn't *need* any 'help' in the sense that the US gives it ffs ! Graham |