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From: Woody on 23 Jul 2010 10:33 On 23/07/2010 15:28, Woody wrote: > On 23/07/2010 15:07, zoara wrote: >> Sak Wathanasin<sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 23 July, 00:40, zoara<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't know what the actual prices are, but I know that buying a >>>> PAYG >>>> iPhone then getting a contract for it costs a lot more than just >>>> buying >>>> a contract iPhone. Maybe I've missed something...? >>> >>> Lat time I looked, it was cheaper to buy the phone outright, then go >>> onto something like the O2 "simplicity" contract or the Tesco's one, >>> than to get one on a 12 or 24 mth contract. >> >> I'm exceptionally dubious about this, as a couple of friends were >> keeping an eye on the prices as they were announced; one of us wants >> PAYG and insisted it was not only cheaper for him, but for us as well >> (with our higher consumption of minutes). > > Tesco contract is £219 for the phone, then 12 months at £35 month for > 750 mins and unlimited texts. > > Unless a year on simplicity is £40, I don't see how it can be cheaper. > It seems quite a bit more expensive. Figures wrong, that was the price of a 16Gb on tesco and a 32GB pay as you go. so the price difference is £140, from the tesco contract. But simplicity is £240 for 300 minutes, 500 meg of data and unimited texts. So £100 more pay as you go for 450 minutes less and half the data. Think I will still stick with tesco! -- Woody
From: zoara on 23 Jul 2010 11:38 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote: >> On 23 July, 00:40, zoara <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> >>> I don't know what the actual prices are, but I know that buying a >>> PAYG >>> iPhone then getting a contract for it costs a lot more than just >>> buying >>> a contract iPhone. Maybe I've missed something...? >> >> Lat time I looked, it was cheaper to buy the phone outright, then go >> onto something like the O2 "simplicity" contract or the Tesco's one, >> than to get one on a 12 or 24 mth contract. > > I'm exceptionally dubious about this, as a couple of friends were > keeping an eye on the prices as they were announced; one of us wants > PAYG and insisted it was not only cheaper for him, but for us as well > (with our higher consumption of minutes). > > But if you say that's the case, then I will certainly have a look, but > only if I decide to get an iPhone 4... Curiousity got the better of me, are you surprised? For a 300mins contract from O2, for 24 months so we compare like with like, and a 32GB phone: Standard contract £30pcm, phone £280 30 x 24 + 280 = 1000 iPhone 4 isn't available yet on PAYG but Tesco say when it is, they'll do it for £570. O2's 12-month simplicity contract is £15pcm for exactly the same contract. 15 x 24 + 570 = 930 So that's a saving of £70. More if you point out you can stop after the 12 months (total cost £750) but as I'll still want to carry on using a phone, I don't think that is a good comparison (and another upgrade whale the price up again). I graciously accept that I evidently don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I don't think it will change whether I get one or not, even if I can walk into a shop and get one for £570 no strings attached - I already know I have very little chance (if any) of coming away with a phone that works for me. But at least I do know it's an option, especially if people start saying some units are showing an improvement, so thank you! -zoara- From http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html and http://direct.tesco.com/q/N.2000278.aspx -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: zoara on 23 Jul 2010 11:54 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > On 23/07/2010 15:28, Woody wrote: >> On 23/07/2010 15:07, zoara wrote: >>> Sak Wathanasin<sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote: >>>> On 23 July, 00:40, zoara<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't know what the actual prices are, but I know that buying a >>>>> PAYG >>>>> iPhone then getting a contract for it costs a lot more than just >>>>> buying >>>>> a contract iPhone. Maybe I've missed something...? >>>> >>>> Lat time I looked, it was cheaper to buy the phone outright, then > > > > go >>>> onto something like the O2 "simplicity" contract or the Tesco's > > > > one, >>>> than to get one on a 12 or 24 mth contract. >>> >>> I'm exceptionally dubious about this, as a couple of friends were >>> keeping an eye on the prices as they were announced; one of us wants >>> PAYG and insisted it was not only cheaper for him, but for us as > > > well >>> (with our higher consumption of minutes). >> >> Tesco contract is £219 for the phone, then 12 months at £35 month for >> 750 mins and unlimited texts. >> >> Unless a year on simplicity is £40, I don't see how it can be > > cheaper. >> It seems quite a bit more expensive. > > Figures wrong, that was the price of a 16Gb on tesco and a 32GB pay as > you go. > > so the price difference is £140, from the tesco contract. > But simplicity is £240 for 300 minutes, 500 meg of data and unimited > texts. > > So £100 more pay as you go for 450 minutes less and half the data. > > Think I will still stick with tesco! > But what do you do after 12 months? Buy another phone? I only intend to upgrade to every other model so working out the costs for 24 months seems to make more sense - in which case I *think* Tesco's contract costs more. I think one thing this part of the discussion proves is that phone pricing is complicated. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Woody on 23 Jul 2010 12:41 zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > On 23/07/2010 15:28, Woody wrote: > >> On 23/07/2010 15:07, zoara wrote: > >>> Sak Wathanasin<sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> On 23 July, 00:40, zoara<m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I don't know what the actual prices are, but I know that buying a > >>>>> PAYG > >>>>> iPhone then getting a contract for it costs a lot more than just > >>>>> buying > >>>>> a contract iPhone. Maybe I've missed something...? > >>>> > >>>> Lat time I looked, it was cheaper to buy the phone outright, then > > > > > go > >>>> onto something like the O2 "simplicity" contract or the Tesco's > > > > > one, > >>>> than to get one on a 12 or 24 mth contract. > >>> > >>> I'm exceptionally dubious about this, as a couple of friends were > >>> keeping an eye on the prices as they were announced; one of us wants > >>> PAYG and insisted it was not only cheaper for him, but for us as > > > > well > >>> (with our higher consumption of minutes). > >> > >> Tesco contract is �219 for the phone, then 12 months at �35 month for > >> 750 mins and unlimited texts. > >> > >> Unless a year on simplicity is �40, I don't see how it can be > > > cheaper. > >> It seems quite a bit more expensive. > > > > Figures wrong, that was the price of a 16Gb on tesco and a 32GB pay as > > you go. > > > > so the price difference is �140, from the tesco contract. > > But simplicity is �240 for 300 minutes, 500 meg of data and unimited > > texts. > > > > So �100 more pay as you go for 450 minutes less and half the data. > > > > Think I will still stick with tesco! > > > > But what do you do after 12 months? Buy another phone? Carry on? Why do you have to do something, phone contracts always carry on if you don't do anything. > I only intend to > upgrade to every other model so working out the costs for 24 months > seems to make more sense - in which case I *think* Tesco's contract > costs more. I wouldn't know, I never look at a 24 month contract. in fact the iPhone was the first time I went beyond a 12 month one. If the option is a 24 month contract or carry on with what I have, I would carry on with what I had. > I think one thing this part of the discussion proves is that phone > pricing is complicated. Not really. -- Woody www.alienrat.com
From: zoara on 23 Jul 2010 15:40
Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >> Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: >>> On 23/07/2010 15:28, Woody wrote: >>>> Tesco contract is £219 for the phone, then 12 months at £35 month > > > > for >>>> 750 mins and unlimited texts. >>>> >>>> Unless a year on simplicity is £40, I don't see how it can be >>>> cheaper. >>>> It seems quite a bit more expensive. >>> >>> Figures wrong, that was the price of a 16Gb on tesco and a 32GB pay > > > as >>> you go. >>> >>> so the price difference is £140, from the tesco contract. >>> But simplicity is £240 for 300 minutes, 500 meg of data and unimited >>> texts. >>> >>> So £100 more pay as you go for 450 minutes less and half the data. >>> >>> Think I will still stick with tesco! >>> >> >> But what do you do after 12 months? Buy another phone? > > Carry on? Why do you have to do something, phone contracts always > carry > on if you don't do anything. In which case the simplicity contract works out cheaper, surely? If you're paying £15 per month you'll soon catch up on that saving as you aren't paying £35 per month. My point being that if you are likely to buy a new phone after 12 months then what's a better value contract is different to if you buy a new one every two years. >> I only intend to >> upgrade to every other model so working out the costs for 24 months >> seems to make more sense - in which case I *think* Tesco's contract >> costs more. > > I wouldn't know, I never look at a 24 month contract. in fact the > iPhone > was the first time I went beyond a 12 month one. Me too. But I'm not buying a new phone every year - I used to, and sell them on eBay, but that doesn't seem profitable any more; better to stick with a longer contract and save that way. The only phone I'll be buying for a long time is an iPhone; can't afford or justify one of those every year, and they come out yearly, so it makes sense to work things out on a 24-month cycle (whether or not I actually have a contract that long). > If the option is a 24 month contract or carry on with what I have, I > would carry on with what I had. Fair enough. I'd decide I wanted a phone then see what contracts were available, rather than seeing what contracts were available then deciding I wanted a phone. >> I think one thing this part of the discussion proves is that phone >> pricing is complicated. > > Not really. Well, out of the three of us we've so far formed at least four opinions on the value for money of various contracts... -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm |