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From: Sak Wathanasin on 21 Jul 2010 04:11 On 20 July, 15:25, zoara <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > Time and effort? Dealing with cancelling my new contract and going back to what I have? Depends on how you want to do it, but I'd just get an unlocked one, stick a PAYG SIM in it and see if you can live with it over an extended period. Then switch or send it back. Again, it'll vary depending on your sevrice provider, but with O2, for example, you just fill in a web-form to transfer your remining contract to the new SIM. > Who's agonising? Oh I don't know - count the num of your posts on the subject... > I'm interested in knowing whether some units suffer less than others > because that will point to a manufacturing issue rather than a design > issue Neither, if I heard what Jobs said correctly: it's an inherent property of antennae; touch one in the right (or wrong) place and you will detune it. How much depends on who's holding it, what signal level you had to begin with, the phase of the moon &c. > Did they notice, and if not, how did it pass them by? etc etc. Again, if I heard him correctly, it was a deliberate trade-off: yes, they knew there would be a signal drop, but putting it outside the case meant it pulled in more signal to start with. In most cases, the improvement far offsets the signal drop when you hold it. A tiny proportion of iPh4 owners (0.05% if his figures are to be belived) is adversely affected, and he'll give them a full refund. It's the usual "squeaky wheel" syndrome, isn't it? The ones who make the most noise get the attention.
From: leeg on 21 Jul 2010 04:39 Sorry, I was trying to comment but was holding my MacBoko wrong. I couldn't get a wireless signal. -- Produced by performing a quirk of leeg.
From: zoara on 21 Jul 2010 12:24 Jochem Huhmann <joh(a)gmx.net> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> writes: > >> Problem is, Anandtech's “cupping tightly” is the (presumably > > unnatural) >> grip required to trigger the problem, rather than their (presumably >> natural) “holding naturally” grip mentioned in the first table [1]. > > If >> we assume that the decrease in signal drop is of the same percentage > > [2] >> when “holding naturally” then the signal drop of the iPhone 4 would > > go >> from 19.8 to 13.4. That makes it a fair bit closer to the Nexus One >> (10.7) but still miles away from the iPhone 3GS (1.9). > > I agree that it would be really useful to do some (much) more testing. > I > find it highly absurd that with all the commotion going on there is > only > so little of actual measuring done. Yep, me too. > I hope that when the jailbreak will > be available (it is said the developers only wait for Apple to release > 4.1) this will become much easier to do. There's already an app for > getting some real numbers: > > http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/06/video-evidence-of-the-iphone-4-death-grip-this-time-with-real/ Yeah, that was a leap in the direction of "proper testing". Good old Erica Sadun. >> It seems odd to me to compare “trying to trigger the problem” figures >> without comparing “trying to use the phone” figures. Particularly as >> “trying to trigger the problem” grips can be very unusual indeed (see >> the handful of videos that Gruber has linked to from >> daringfireball.net). > > Here is an article which has a bit more data and some different grips: > > http://www.antennasys.com/antennasys-blog/2010/7/14/iphone-4-meets-the-gripofdeathinator.html > Oooh, that may just have made me reconsider -if the worst-case data rate is better than the best-case 3G data rate, then where's the problem? I have to wonder how this will change in a poor signal area (rather than the reasonable-but-not-great one they were in). Seems odd that they couldn't kill the data completely - I'm wondering whether "No Signal" death grips are harder to achieve once a data connection is made (just as they are harder when a call is in progress). Perhaps I will start agonising after all. Probably not, though... -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: zoara on 21 Jul 2010 12:24 Sak Wathanasin <sw(a)nan.co.uk> wrote: > On 20 July, 15:25, zoara <m...(a)privacy.net> wrote: > >> Time and effort? Dealing with cancelling my new contract and going > > back to what I have? > > Depends on how you want to do it, but I'd just get an unlocked one, > stick a PAYG SIM in it and see if you can live with it over an > extended period. Then switch or send it back. Again, it'll vary > depending on your sevrice provider, but with O2, for example, you just > fill in a web-form to transfer your remining contract to the new SIM. If I bought a PAYG SIM I'd have to take it back even if the unit worked for me. PAYG would cost a fortune. And then I'd be in the same position that I was in before; just cos that unit worked for me doesn't mean that a unit I buy on contract has any greater chance of working. It seems like a lot of potential hassle for a very low chance of success. >> Who's agonising? > > Oh I don't know - count the num of your posts on the subject... Or the quantity of text in each. But "agonising" implies I'm not enjoying it. But I am; accuse me of wittering on if you want, but I'm not agonising. It interests me. I don't think I even agonised over whether I should get an iPhone 4; when I found I triggered the problem without trying, I decided to wait and see if it was widespread; when I found it was, I decided to wait and see if a quick fix appeared; when it didn't I decided to stick with what I had for a bit. Disappointing, but hardly agony. >> I'm interested in knowing whether some units suffer less than others >> because that will point to a manufacturing issue rather than a design >> issue > > Neither, if I heard what Jobs said correctly: Sorry, I don't understand. Some units neither suffer more or less than others? Or are you saying all units suffer the same amount? I'm fairly sure (now) that they do, but I don't know for sure. Even Apple haven't confirmed this, and others that have said it's confirmed (Engadget), have done so quite shoddily. >> Did they notice, and if not, how did it pass them by? etc etc. > > Again, if I heard him correctly, it was a deliberate trade-off: Gruber makes the point that Jobs never actually used the word "trade-off", but should have. > yes, > they knew there would be a signal drop, but putting it outside the > case meant it pulled in more signal to start with. In most cases, the > improvement far offsets the signal drop when you hold it. Depending *how* you hold it. If you don't touch the spot, the signal is better. If you do, the signal is worse. At least, according to the data I have seen (and my personal experience). Have you seen something that disagrees with that? I'm sure that Apple knew that spot caused issues; I'm concerned that they didn't notice that a large number of people will touch that spot accidentally. I wonder whether they only tested people making calls? This is a lot less likely to involve touching the spot, and even if it does, touching the spot during a call is a lot less likely to drop the call than touching the spot outside a call will give "No Signal" (presumably due to adaptive power negotiations between the cell tower and any phones making a call through it). Did they test people holding it while using apps? Did they notice that a common natural grip causes loss of network connectivity? If not, why not? > A tiny > proportion of iPh4 owners (0.05% if his figures are to be belived) is > adversely affected, and he'll give them a full refund. 0.05% of Applecare users does not equate to 0.05% of users being dissatisfied. What percentage of annoyed users don't have Applecare? What percentage do, but don't call? It's an obfuscating figure, just like the "one more call dropped per hundred", and does more to confuse the issue (in Apple's favour) than it does to clarify. > It's the usual "squeaky wheel" syndrome, isn't it? The ones who make > the most noise get the attention. It's exactly that problem that I am trying to get around. The noisy people are distracting from the people who are trying to work this stuff out properly. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: zoara on 21 Jul 2010 12:24
leeg <iamleeg(a)gmail.example> wrote: > Sorry, I was trying to comment but was holding my MacBoko wrong. I > couldn't get a wireless signal. Ha! -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm |