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From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 10 May 2010 17:49 Mike Rosenberg <mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote: > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > By 2015, they'll all be looking back and laughing at the iPhone....like > > > they do the Newton, Palm PIlot, Power book or Pentium II PCs now. > > [snip bunch of troll bullshit] > > > > Wow... you're a raving idiot and not afraid to show it, are you? :-D > > Newsflash Enistein - the iPhone is _already_ a trendsetting smash hit. > > Exactly how will smart phones like it fade into obscurity like the > > Newton did (which was merely ahead of it's time technologically, and far > > from the failure you try to make it out as - at least in terms of future > > impact)? > > I have no idea what Larry's point was in making that list in the first > place. Just the list of devices is a nonsensical hodge podge. > > The Newton was, as you pointed out, technologically ahead of its time, > and I think it really was a relative marketing failure. The Palm Pilot > was a smash success and basically _THE_ PDA for a good many years until > competition from smart phones beat it down. The Powerbook lives on under > new name, and of course Pentium II PCs were succeeded by PCs with newer > processors. > > Of course several years from now current iPhones will be outdated. The > 2015 models will not. And hey - maybe there will be a better 'iPhone' by 2015 - the so-called as yet unseen iPhone killer. What does it matter? As with the Newton's ideas living on in the Palm Pilot, other PDAs and smartphones (like the iPhone!), the iPhone's innovative design is now THE standard by which other smartphones/PDAs/handheld gaming consoles (witness Nintendo's recent comments <http://www.macworld.com/article/151136/2010/05/nintendo_apple.html>) are measured. Whether the iPhone continues to reign supreme or not, it's influence will be felt for years to come - long past 2015 we'll remember how smartphones used to suck before the iPhone changed everything. Just like I'll never forget how Apple changed the face of computing in 1984. They were not the first, and they didn't end up being a market leader. But who can deny the Mac's influence in modern computing, whatever the platform you're on? -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Glen Labah on 10 May 2010 21:02 I guess I wouldn't mind Flash media so much except that it a serious bandwidth hog, without any real apparent reason for it to be. For example, try opening up a network traffic utility, or even your "internet Connection" control panel in the MacOS, then play a Flash media video of some sort. Based on the indicators I have watched, the damned thing spends almost as much bandwidth doing "send" as it does "receive". What in hell could possibly be so important to send *back* to the server for such a long time? (This is, by the way, a lot more apparent if you try doing this over a modem connection, but of course the video is pretty much unwatchable). It reminds me a great deal of the situation about 20 or so years ago, when someone came out with this neat little asteroids game for the Sun Sparc station. It ran really quick, and was kind of a fun game. Except, if you were playing it on a remote terminal, it would quickly consume all available network space and bring everything to a halt....because the control scheme didn't just include commands to do stuff, but to *not* do stuff. The thing would literally flood the network...with vast amounts of NOTHING. -- Please note this e-mail address is a pit of spam due to e-mail address harvesters on Usenet. Response time to e-mail sent here is slow.
From: Your Name on 10 May 2010 21:13 In article <1jibmo1.d31usfam6jfkN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > Mike Rosenberg <mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote: > > > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > > > By 2015, they'll all be looking back and laughing at the iPhone....like > > > > they do the Newton, Palm PIlot, Power book or Pentium II PCs now. > > > [snip bunch of troll bullshit] > > > > > > Wow... you're a raving idiot and not afraid to show it, are you? :-D > > > Newsflash Enistein - the iPhone is _already_ a trendsetting smash hit. > > > Exactly how will smart phones like it fade into obscurity like the > > > Newton did (which was merely ahead of it's time technologically, and far > > > from the failure you try to make it out as - at least in terms of future > > > impact)? > > > > I have no idea what Larry's point was in making that list in the first > > place. Just the list of devices is a nonsensical hodge podge. > > > > The Newton was, as you pointed out, technologically ahead of its time, > > and I think it really was a relative marketing failure. The Palm Pilot > > was a smash success and basically _THE_ PDA for a good many years until > > competition from smart phones beat it down. The Powerbook lives on under > > new name, and of course Pentium II PCs were succeeded by PCs with newer > > processors. > > > > Of course several years from now current iPhones will be outdated. The > > 2015 models will not. > > And hey - maybe there will be a better 'iPhone' by 2015 - the so-called > as yet unseen iPhone killer. What does it matter? As with the Newton's > ideas living on in the Palm Pilot, other PDAs and smartphones (like the > iPhone!), the iPhone's innovative design is now THE standard by which > other smartphones/PDAs/handheld gaming consoles (witness Nintendo's > recent comments > <http://www.macworld.com/article/151136/2010/05/nintendo_apple.html>) > are measured. Whether the iPhone continues to reign supreme or not, it's > influence will be felt for years to come - long past 2015 we'll remember > how smartphones used to suck before the iPhone changed everything. > > Just like I'll never forget how Apple changed the face of computing in > 1984. They were not the first, and they didn't end up being a market > leader. But who can deny the Mac's influence in modern computing, > whatever the platform you're on? Apple isn't the market leader in terms of number of users, but it is the market leader in terms of leading the market with innovation and new products ... in fact Apple is one of only a few tech companies innovating anything, let alone being successful at it.
From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 11 May 2010 13:49 Your Name <your.name(a)isp.com> wrote: > In article <1jibmo1.d31usfam6jfkN%jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz>, > jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > Mike Rosenberg <mikePOST(a)TOGROUPmacconsult.com> wrote: > > > > > Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg(a)wizardling.geek.nz> wrote: > > > > > > > > By 2015, they'll all be looking back and laughing at the > > > > > iPhone....like they do the Newton, Palm PIlot, Power book or > > > > > Pentium II PCs now. > > > > [snip bunch of troll bullshit] > > > > > > > > Wow... you're a raving idiot and not afraid to show it, are you? :-D > > > > Newsflash Enistein - the iPhone is _already_ a trendsetting smash hit. > > > > Exactly how will smart phones like it fade into obscurity like the > > > > Newton did (which was merely ahead of it's time technologically, and far > > > > from the failure you try to make it out as - at least in terms of future > > > > impact)? > > > > > > I have no idea what Larry's point was in making that list in the first > > > place. Just the list of devices is a nonsensical hodge podge. > > > > > > The Newton was, as you pointed out, technologically ahead of its time, > > > and I think it really was a relative marketing failure. The Palm Pilot > > > was a smash success and basically _THE_ PDA for a good many years until > > > competition from smart phones beat it down. The Powerbook lives on under > > > new name, and of course Pentium II PCs were succeeded by PCs with newer > > > processors. > > > > > > Of course several years from now current iPhones will be outdated. The > > > 2015 models will not. > > > > And hey - maybe there will be a better 'iPhone' by 2015 - the so-called > > as yet unseen iPhone killer. What does it matter? As with the Newton's > > ideas living on in the Palm Pilot, other PDAs and smartphones (like the > > iPhone!), the iPhone's innovative design is now THE standard by which > > other smartphones/PDAs/handheld gaming consoles (witness Nintendo's > > recent comments > > <http://www.macworld.com/article/151136/2010/05/nintendo_apple.html>) > > are measured. Whether the iPhone continues to reign supreme or not, it's > > influence will be felt for years to come - long past 2015 we'll remember > > how smartphones used to suck before the iPhone changed everything. > > > > Just like I'll never forget how Apple changed the face of computing in > > 1984. They were not the first, and they didn't end up being a market > > leader. But who can deny the Mac's influence in modern computing, > > whatever the platform you're on? > > Apple isn't the market leader in terms of number of users, but it is the > market leader in terms of leading the market with innovation and new > products ... in fact Apple is one of only a few tech companies innovating > anything, let alone being successful at it. Too true. I think it's just Tall Poppy Syndrome <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome> at work. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: SMS on 11 May 2010 14:02
On 11/05/10 10:49 AM, Jamie Kahn Genet wrote: > Too true. I think it's just Tall Poppy Syndrome > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome> at work. In consumer electronics, Apple is about the only U.S. company actually making money by designing and selling products. Most other companies run to Asia and pay a contract manufacturer to do the design for them, paying little attention to the user experience, ergonomics, etc. Still, having used Windows 7, I worry about the computer side of things. They're going to need to do something about OS-X if they want to gain market share. On the phone side of things, they're going to have to address the problem of having their platform on a single carrier in the U.S. since they're losing ground to Android by continuing to not offer phones on Verizon, T-Mobile, or Sprint. |