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From: nospam on 11 May 2010 17:07 In article <4be9c144$0$13662$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > > the question is whether there will be an iphone on something other than > > at&t *this* year. that means cdma or 3g-aws, but maybe it will be > > lte-ready. > > Late last year, Apple ended Rogers' exclusivity in Canada by allowing > Bell and Telus (who have just converted to GSM from CDMA) to also sell > the iPhone. it's slowly happening, worldwide, "where it makes sense" according to apple. > The first step would be to open the iphone to other GSM carriers in the > USA. Problem is that tmobile uses 1700 for 3g if I am not mistaken. right, t-mobile 3g is different, so they'd need a new version. > There are a couple of new entrants in Canada who will also be using 1700. > > There are some additional smaller GSM carriers in the USA which may be > using frequencies compatible with existing iphones. gsm in the usa is just at&t and t-mobile. the rest buy wholesale minutes and resell them. > So it looks like we'd have to wait for the next product refresh to > include the 1700 band, at which point, Apple could end AT&T's > exclusivity. But until it happens, there isn't much point in ending > AT&T's exclusive deal. it's going to be exclusive until june 7, at the earliest. at that point, steve will say 'verizon' or he won't. t-mobile might happen but they are not as attractive as the 90 million verizon customers. assuming there is an alternative to at&t, it will likely go on sale at the same time, none of this june for at&t, fall for verizon idiocy. > Having said this, Apple could, today, start to sell unlocked iphones at > a reasonable price for travellers. apple, unlocked iphones?????? when it's not required by law??? and at a reasonable price??? what are you smoking? :) > In terms of Apple developping a CDMA phone, I doubt it. But one problem > for Verizon is that until LTE is widely deployed, an LTE-GSM phone won't > be much use since customers will be without Verizon service when > ourside of LTE zones. which is why a cdma phone is required, assuming they do verizon (or sprint). nobody is going to buy an lte iphone if there are only 10 cities where it will work. you think at&t's coverage sucks? that would be a disaster. they *could* do sprint wimax though, and i'm sure that sprint is literally begging apple to get it, since the iphone on sprint could be what saves them from ultimately going bust. > But for AT&T, when they go LTE, a LTE-GSM phone will be able to fall > back to 3g or perhaps even 2g in areas not yet upgraded. right. which is why when everyone deploys lte, a multi-carrier phone is basically a given. still, i think it's a bit premature to do lte this year. > What is apple's relationship with Qualcomm ? (which owns CDMA, requires > hefty royalties for every handset sold, and has even sued one of its > former largest customer: Nokia). If Jobs has a negative opinion of > Qualcomm, don't expect a CDMA phone anytime. i don't think he's that stubborn :)
From: JF Mezei on 11 May 2010 18:32 Your Name wrote: > is never going to be a fair fight. Once you split the Windows-box makers > into the separate companies you find that Apple is ranked high on the list > (especially in more recent financial times), often beating the likes of > Dell, HP, etc. In its heydays, Apple was in the top 3 manufacturers of computers. The WIntel market was more fragmented, so with ots then roughly 10% market share, it was one of the largest single manufacturer. HOWEVER, recent Intel financials revealed that only HP and Dell were customers large enough to generate more than 10% of its revenues (each). Apple was not mentioned. So this indicates that Apple would still be below 10% market share in the PC market, especially if you add AMD basec computers not counted in Intel financials.
From: Phillip Jones on 11 May 2010 20:02 Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article<110520101538545606%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, > nospam<nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> the question is whether there will be an iphone on something other than >> at&t *this* year. > > Well, if there will be an iPhone on Verizon this year, I'll be jumping ship. > If Verizon becomes a iPhone dealer I will be getting one. If they stick with AT&T, I will never ever get one. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjones1(a)kimbanet.com
From: Your Name on 11 May 2010 20:23 In article <4be9db01$0$12458$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot(a)vaxination.ca> wrote: > Your Name wrote: > > > is never going to be a fair fight. Once you split the Windows-box makers > > into the separate companies you find that Apple is ranked high on the list > > (especially in more recent financial times), often beating the likes of > > Dell, HP, etc. > > In its heydays, Apple was in the top 3 manufacturers of computers. The > WIntel market was more fragmented, so with ots then roughly 10% market > share, it was one of the largest single manufacturer. > > HOWEVER, recent Intel financials revealed that only HP and Dell were > customers large enough to generate more than 10% of its revenues (each). > Apple was not mentioned. So this indicates that Apple would still be > below 10% market share in the PC market, especially if you add AMD basec > computers not counted in Intel financials. Last time bothered to read any figures, Apple were said to have 7%-8% of computers used (up from the 3%-5% of years ago), but of course it depends what and how you're measuring.
From: Todd Allcock on 11 May 2010 20:46
"Michelle Steiner" <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote in message news:michelle-013C77.13084211052010(a)62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi... > In article <110520101538545606%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>, > nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> the question is whether there will be an iphone on something other than >> at&t *this* year. > > Well, if there will be an iPhone on Verizon this year, I'll be jumping > ship. Personally, I think you'll see Flash on an iPhone before you see Verizon service on one! ;) |