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From: slider on 5 Apr 2010 10:07 Bassos wrote... >>>> ### - 'Art' comes in many shapes, forms and expressions (painting, writing, >>>> music >>>> whatever, different genres) the common denominator among them being Art and >>>> Artists per se rather than any one particular expression and/or preference >>>> for one >>>> as such... iow, what was the whatever Artist in-question trying/attempting to >>>> 'communicate' via his art... >>>> >>>> e.g... >>>> >>>> "if it doesn't transport you to another world, then it's not Art" --unknown >>> >>> Literature is the manner in which it changes you :) >>> ("Move, therefor, show yourselves! >>> "Open the mysteries of your creation! "For I am the servant of your god, "A >>> true >>> worshiper of the Highest!" >>> http://hermetic.com/browe/godzill1.html) >>> >>>>>> plus had quite an interest in astrology as a kid >>>>> >>>>> nuff said :) >>>>> >>>>> When you where a kid. >>>>> >>>>>> thought there might be something in it, but it IS all bs >>>>> >>>>> Convince me. >>>> >>>> ### - first please convince me that you wish to be convinced :) >>> >>> I reckon it is neigh impossible to convince me that the beauty and wonder that >>> is to be experienced from studying astrology is bullshit. >> >> ### - then i'm not even gonna try :) > > Well, i did invite doggs to the conversation. > > (herding cats is something) ### - i think you're already aware of my opinion so there's no need of me to belabour the point or to force a confrontation, and because each man walks his own path and has to find his own way and so who am i to tell anyone else what to do or what to believe in for themselves as we all wrestle (for our sanity and soul) in and through the vale(s) of illusion... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rz92JWtS50 >>>>>> and only for people seeking to be 'told' what to do >>>>>> instead of going to all the trouble of 'knowing' what to do, >>>>> >>>>> That is a 180 turn. >>>>> Astrology is not about telling you what to do. >>>>> It is about describing how you move. >>>>> >>>>> Know thyself. >>>>> >>>>> The biggest use in astrology is that it not only describes how you move (and >>>>> hints at the why) but it also describes how everybody else moves. >>>>> >>>>> Know thyself through the reflections of reality presenting beauty to you. >>>> >>>> ### - it certainly was a 180 turn, i looked closely at it, actually tried it >>>> on, >>>> and at one point even thought that i maybe looked quite good in it heh, but >>>> eventually decided that it was just another rag, it's only use being to maybe >>>> bung-up some of the many leaks in this sinking old row-boat of mine haha! ;-) >>> >>> Well, i do not suggest accepting astrology as some sort of canape. >>> >>> I suggest astrology is useful. >> >> ### - 'useful' is a particularly 'rational' stance and pov as ruled by the idea >> and concept of the existence of cause and effect, > > No. > >> which is fine if one lives/resides in such a world, and only that other worlds >> also exist that are not >> so ruled but just as viable (perceptually) if not more so... > > My world ? > > Wanna go peek ? > > <snip your world> ### - there are many worlds, although i was speaking above primarily of the world of reason and rationality that so many aspire to and yet can't even manage even that; the tom's and hg's of this world whose only aim is to be seen to shine 'themselves' rather than being shining examples of the truth they would otherwise claim to advocate for and to exemplify... and then there's all the shades of that world, of the rational tinged with the irrational to varying degrees that ultimately has created all the religions of the world, and yet other worlds beyond even that where almost even anything becomes possible, we are not limited in our range and scope except perhaps by ourselves... which perhaps is even as it (and things) should be, everyone grows/expands (their consciousness) at their own rate and at no one else's and as to your current hecklers... well... "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"? and then get-stuffed hecklers! ha ha ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr81olQ1ibk (said in good humour btw :) --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: Don Stockbauer on 5 Apr 2010 11:12 On Apr 5, 9:07 am, "slider" <sli...(a)anashram.com> wrote: > Bassos wrote... > >>>> ### - 'Art' comes in many shapes, forms and expressions (painting, writing, > >>>> music > >>>> whatever, different genres) the common denominator among them being Art and > >>>> Artists per se rather than any one particular expression and/or preference > >>>> for one > >>>> as such... iow, what was the whatever Artist in-question trying/attempting to > >>>> 'communicate' via his art... > > >>>> e.g... > > >>>> "if it doesn't transport you to another world, then it's not Art" --unknown > > >>> Literature is the manner in which it changes you :) > >>> ("Move, therefor, show yourselves! > >>> "Open the mysteries of your creation! "For I am the servant of your god, "A > >>> true > >>> worshiper of the Highest!" > >>>http://hermetic.com/browe/godzill1.html) > > >>>>>> plus had quite an interest in astrology as a kid > > >>>>> nuff said :) > > >>>>> When you where a kid. > > >>>>>> thought there might be something in it, but it IS all bs > > >>>>> Convince me. > > >>>> ### - first please convince me that you wish to be convinced :) > > >>> I reckon it is neigh impossible to convince me that the beauty and wonder that > >>> is to be experienced from studying astrology is bullshit. > > >> ### - then i'm not even gonna try :) > > > Well, i did invite doggs to the conversation. > > > (herding cats is something) > > ### - i think you're already aware of my opinion so there's no need of me to > belabour the point or to force a confrontation, and because each man walks his own > path and has to find his own way and so who am i to tell anyone else what to do or > what to believe in for themselves as we all wrestle (for our sanity and soul) in > and through the vale(s) of illusion... > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rz92JWtS50 > > > > > > >>>>>> and only for people seeking to be 'told' what to do > >>>>>> instead of going to all the trouble of 'knowing' what to do, > > >>>>> That is a 180 turn. > >>>>> Astrology is not about telling you what to do. > >>>>> It is about describing how you move. > > >>>>> Know thyself. > > >>>>> The biggest use in astrology is that it not only describes how you move (and > >>>>> hints at the why) but it also describes how everybody else moves. > > >>>>> Know thyself through the reflections of reality presenting beauty to you. > > >>>> ### - it certainly was a 180 turn, i looked closely at it, actually tried it > >>>> on, > >>>> and at one point even thought that i maybe looked quite good in it heh, but > >>>> eventually decided that it was just another rag, it's only use being to maybe > >>>> bung-up some of the many leaks in this sinking old row-boat of mine haha! ;-) > > >>> Well, i do not suggest accepting astrology as some sort of canape. > > >>> I suggest astrology is useful. > > >> ### - 'useful' is a particularly 'rational' stance and pov as ruled by the idea > >> and concept of the existence of cause and effect, > > > No. > > >> which is fine if one lives/resides in such a world, and only that other worlds > >> also exist that are not > >> so ruled but just as viable (perceptually) if not more so... > > > My world ? > > > Wanna go peek ? > > > <snip your world> > > ### - there are many worlds, although i was speaking above primarily of the world > of reason and rationality that so many aspire to and yet can't even manage even > that; the tom's and hg's of this world whose only aim is to be seen to shine > 'themselves' rather than being shining examples of the truth they would otherwise > claim to advocate for and to exemplify... > > and then there's all the shades of that world, of the rational tinged with the > irrational to varying degrees that ultimately has created all the religions of the > world, and yet other worlds beyond even that where almost even anything becomes > possible, we are not limited in our range and scope except perhaps by > ourselves... which perhaps is even as it (and things) should be, everyone > grows/expands (their consciousness) at their own rate and at no one else's > > and as to your current hecklers... well... > > "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"? The gender's not correct, but a good candidate for stone hurler would be His mother, Mary.
From: "Bassos" Root on 5 Apr 2010 12:19 "slider" <slider(a)anashram.com> wrote in message news:hpcqm1$1dgs$1(a)adenine.netfront.net... > > Bassos wrote... > >>>>> ### - 'Art' comes in many shapes, forms and expressions (painting, >>>>> writing, >>>>> music >>>>> whatever, different genres) the common denominator among them being >>>>> Art and >>>>> Artists per se rather than any one particular expression and/or >>>>> preference >>>>> for one >>>>> as such... iow, what was the whatever Artist in-question >>>>> trying/attempting to >>>>> 'communicate' via his art... >>>>> >>>>> e.g... >>>>> >>>>> "if it doesn't transport you to another world, then it's not >>>>> Art" --unknown >>>> >>>> Literature is the manner in which it changes you :) >>>> ("Move, therefor, show yourselves! >>>> "Open the mysteries of your creation! "For I am the servant of your >>>> god, "A >>>> true >>>> worshiper of the Highest!" >>>> http://hermetic.com/browe/godzill1.html) >>>> >>>>>>> plus had quite an interest in astrology as a kid >>>>>> >>>>>> nuff said :) >>>>>> >>>>>> When you where a kid. >>>>>> >>>>>>> thought there might be something in it, but it IS all bs >>>>>> >>>>>> Convince me. >>>>> >>>>> ### - first please convince me that you wish to be convinced :) >>>> >>>> I reckon it is neigh impossible to convince me that the beauty and >>>> wonder that >>>> is to be experienced from studying astrology is bullshit. >>> >>> ### - then i'm not even gonna try :) >> >> Well, i did invite doggs to the conversation. >> >> (herding cats is something) > > ### - i think you're already aware of my opinion Well, then it is only fair that i also demonstrate a bit of my less than amicable sides :) >>>>>>> and only for people seeking to be 'told' what to do >>>>>>> instead of going to all the trouble of 'knowing' what to do, >>>>>> >>>>>> That is a 180 turn. >>>>>> Astrology is not about telling you what to do. >>>>>> It is about describing how you move. >>>>>> >>>>>> Know thyself. >>>>>> >>>>>> The biggest use in astrology is that it not only describes how you >>>>>> move (and >>>>>> hints at the why) but it also describes how everybody else moves. >>>>>> >>>>>> Know thyself through the reflections of reality presenting beauty to >>>>>> you. >>>>> >>>>> ### - it certainly was a 180 turn, i looked closely at it, actually >>>>> tried it >>>>> on, >>>>> and at one point even thought that i maybe looked quite good in it >>>>> heh, but >>>>> eventually decided that it was just another rag, it's only use being >>>>> to maybe >>>>> bung-up some of the many leaks in this sinking old row-boat of mine >>>>> haha! ;-) >>>> >>>> Well, i do not suggest accepting astrology as some sort of canape. >>>> >>>> I suggest astrology is useful. >>> >>> ### - 'useful' is a particularly 'rational' stance and pov as ruled by >>> the idea >>> and concept of the existence of cause and effect, >> >> No. >> >>> which is fine if one lives/resides in such a world, and only that other >>> worlds >>> also exist that are not >>> so ruled but just as viable (perceptually) if not more so... >> >> My world ? >> >> Wanna go peek ? >> >> <snip your world> > > ### - there are many worlds, although i was speaking above primarily of > the world > of reason and rationality that so many aspire to and yet can't even manage > even > that; the tom's and hg's of this world whose only aim is to be seen to > shine > 'themselves' rather than being shining examples of the truth they would > otherwise > claim to advocate for and to exemplify... I kinda like tom, so perhaps he simply responded for me to be able to demonstrate said less than amicable side of me, to you. I thank him on a regular basis, so that would not surprise me in the least. > and then there's all the shades of that world, of the rational tinged with > the > irrational to varying degrees that ultimately has created all the > religions of the > world, and yet other worlds beyond even that where almost even anything > becomes > possible, we are not limited in our range and scope except perhaps by > ourselves... which perhaps is even as it (and things) should be, everyone > grows/expands (their consciousness) at their own rate and at no one else's I guess i was just uncomfortable with our all on topic content discussion. > and as to your current hecklers... well... I blame god :) > "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"? Bulls in porcelain cabinets should not be throwing stones anyway :) > and then get-stuffed hecklers! ha ha ;-) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr81olQ1ibk > > (said in good humour btw :) Talkin bout my generation !! (you old farts can go get stuffed :P)
From: slider on 6 Apr 2010 08:59 Bassos wrote... >> ### - there are many worlds, although i was speaking above primarily of the >> world >> of reason and rationality that so many aspire to and yet can't even manage >> eventhat; the tom's and hg's of this world whose only aim is to be seen to >> shine >> 'themselves' rather than being shining examples of the truth they would >> otherwise claim to advocate for and to exemplify... > > I kinda like tom, so perhaps he simply responded for me to be able to > demonstrate said less than amicable side of me, to you. > > I thank him on a regular basis, so that would not surprise me in the least ### - besides one fairly decent conversation with him i've had a couple of less-than-pleasant run-in's with tom that didn't end well, so i could perhaps accept that on that basis (i.e. he might just have been goading you kinda thing to be less than friendly yourself towards me, although i do think that would also somewhat tarnish his otherwise 'always-intellectually-correct' stance as that would have been/constituted something less than completely reasonable behaviour on his part) .. >> and then there's all the shades of that world, of the rational tinged with the >> irrational to varying degrees that ultimately has created all the religions of >> the >> world, and yet other worlds beyond even that where almost even anything becomes >> possible, we are not limited in our range and scope except perhaps by >> ourselves... which perhaps is even as it (and things) should be, everyone >> grows/expands (their consciousness) at their own rate and at no one else's > > I guess i was just uncomfortable with our all on topic content discussion. ### - well that would be completely understandable... e.g. you telling me in one breath that all astrology is bs, whereon i agree and proceed to qualify my reasons only for you to then reveal in your next breath that actually your right 'into' astrology and can't possibly imagine anyone telling you otherwise haha (i.e. i hadn't deliberately set-out to insult you and then suddenly i'm placed in the position of already having done so, which is basically why i didn't then pursue it when invited to, in-deference to you) >> and as to your current hecklers... well... > > I blame god :) > >> "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"? > > Bulls in porcelain cabinets should not be throwing stones anyway :) ### - well that's a good point anyway, people too quickly often resort to lobbing rocks over their garden fence (trying to do damage i mean) perhaps not having considered overly much just what might happen now that they've introduced that kind of 'rock-throwing' behaviour into the game, their subsequent dismay and then fury at seeing some of their 'own' greenhouse windows being put-out when that very same rock gets tossed back-over, perhaps doing even 'more' damage on their side than it ever did on mine, sending them into a stone-throwing frenzy hahaha, only of course it's too late by then because all the shields and shutters have been have activated, which only makes 'em even more mad hahaha ;-) iow "people living in 'glass houses' should NOT THROW STONES!" or they 'themselves' might just find themselves responsible for the result... it's good advice people! :) >> and then get-stuffed hecklers! ha ha ;-) >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr81olQ1ibk >> >> (said in good humour btw :) > > Talkin bout my generation !! > (you old farts can go get stuffed :P) ### - the irreverence of the young can oft-times be refreshing hehehe ;) why don't you all... f, f, fff, FADE awayyyyy! (hahaha :) (where oh where would the world 'be' without humour! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAaxJULHcq4 --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: Tom on 6 Apr 2010 09:53
On Apr 6, 5:59 am, "slider" <sli...(a)anashram.com> wrote: > > ### - besides one fairly decent conversation with him i've had a couple of > less-than-pleasant run-in's with tom that didn't end well, so i could perhaps > accept that on that basis (i.e. he might just have been goading you kinda thing to > be less than friendly yourself towards me, although i do think that would also > somewhat tarnish his otherwise 'always-intellectually-correct' stance as that > would have been/constituted something less than completely reasonable behaviour on > his part) Intellect is the self-checking mechanism of directed consciousness. Without it, magick generates delusions, as can readily be seen by reading the posts of alt.magick. The most immediate indicator of delusion is the knee-jerk resentment of the claimant when evidence is requested by a skeptic. Intuition and emotional reaction are powerful and require no particular discipline, which is why so dabblers, poseurs, and impatient neophyte students of magick tend to rely on those capacities almost exclusively. They rebel against the discipline of logic because it's a buzz-kill for their fantasies. It's laziness, mainly. |