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From: slider on 6 Apr 2010 18:26 Tom wrote... > > Intellect is the self-checking mechanism of directed consciousness. > > Without it, magick generates delusions, as can readily be seen by > > reading the posts of alt.magick. The most immediate indicator of > > delusion is the knee-jerk resentment of the claimant when evidence is > > requested by a skeptic. Intuition and emotional reaction are powerful > > and require no particular discipline, which is why so dabblers, > > poseurs, and impatient neophyte students of magick tend to rely on > > those capacities almost exclusively. They rebel against the > > discipline of logic because it's a buzz-kill for their fantasies. > > It's laziness, mainly. > > > ### - well this raises quite a few valid points tom, your cool detachment and > > apparent objectivity + clarity in raising questions that any 'reasonable' > > person > > should 'at-least' consider before committing to anything, is only belied by > > the > > fact that you yourself, without any warning whatsoever, are liable to suddenly > > descend to such similar clarity-destroying 'emotionalism' thus > > fostering/increasing the very thing(s) you currently now decry + highlight > > above? > > One can be both intellectually rigorous and emotionally active. They > are not mutually exclusive. The magician does not suppress emotion > nor ignore intellect. Consciousness is a complete package. > > > i.e. you can't have it both ways bud, > > Why not? I can see no reason at all to make emotion and intellect > mutually exclusive functions. Rather, they can and should be > complementary and simultaneous. > > ### - no one suggested making them mutually exclusive, Other than you, when you wrote "you can't have it both ways bud." ### - that was in reference to intellect being upright and upstanding Vs. being intellectually petty and mean, which you then attempted to justify by suggesting that both is just fine... iow you want licence to be able to do precisely that which you condemn in others while still holding others to account and not having to be accountable yourself for exactly the same things or worse... all of which is hypocritical and needs no explanation of your "motivations" beyond your 'actions' and the results thereof... > only that waiting for > someone to make what in your opinion is a mistake just so you can then stomp all > over them and feel quite justified in doing so, isn't exactly 'the' most > balanced nor possibly the most desirable configuration of said attributes one > can > imagine, but more like the ravings of someone who is possibly just quite > emotionally disturbed themselves If you choose to fantasize about my motivations instead of asking me about them, you are no longer conversing. You're monologuing. ### - actions speak volumes tom, and if you want to remain being 'hypocritical' instead of coming straight + stopping all this 'evasion' and endless 'deflection' rather than 'advancing', well then i guess that's up to you... > (last chance tom ) Too late. You've already started monologuing. The only questions you'll be asking from here on will be rhetorical. ### - no more questions to you tom, i have all the information i needed for this err, multiple-choice exam(ination) of you, your pride currently and apparently being far more valuable to you than that of advancement, a very poor choice imho with no other recourse now i guess but to study-up and 're-sit' the exam, thus incurring a 1, 3, or 5 year delay depending on your own attitude and/or willingness/eagerness to advance/proceed or not... good luck... --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: slider on 6 Apr 2010 22:22 Bassos wrote... >>> I guess i was just uncomfortable with our all on topic content discussion. >> >> ### - well that would be completely understandable... e.g. you telling me in >> one breath that all astrology is bs > > Which was irony/sarcasm. ### - lol 'now' he tells me! ha-ha!! (slider experienced a genuine coffee-spurt moment lol ;-) >> whereon i agree and proceed to qualify my reasons >> only for you to then reveal in your next breath that actually your right 'into' >> astrology and can't possibly imagine anyone telling you otherwise haha > > Well, i could imagine, but no such poster yet :) > >>(i.e. i hadn't deliberately set-out to insult you and then suddenly i'm placed >>in the >> position of already having done so, which is basically why i didn't then pursue >> it >> when invited to, in-deference to you) > > Happy chance ? :) ### - well exactly... most people hastily rushing to cover their suddenly exposed/bared-asses under such circumstances while rapidly trying to forget/misdirect it ever happened hahaha, only if ya 'listen' to what life is attempting/trying to tell/show/reveal-to you during such 'unplanned-for', unaccounted-for moments, one usually finds the resulting information and/or direction being pointed-out to be of a somewhat revealing if not of a more-profound nature, one that would otherwise probably pass us by under normal circumstances... such 'happy-chance' perhaps being quite a lot more than just chance alone can account for (there's no such thing as coincidence ;) anyway and accordingly haha, i immediately drew-in all my tentacles, stood on my head for a couple of minutes (not quite literally as one would likely have to be somewhat more than just double-jointed to accomplish something like that ha!:) and then let's err, see how it all goes from there :) >>>> and as to your current hecklers... well... >>> >>> I blame god :) >>> >>>> "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"? >>> >>> Bulls in porcelain cabinets should not be throwing stones anyway :) >> >> ### - well that's a good point anyway > > I am referencing myself as a rockthrower. > > Guess who the porcelain cabinet is/are :) ### - (hahaha you're making me laugh bassos, stop it! ;-) >> people too quickly often resort to lobbing >> rocks over their garden fence (trying to do damage i mean) perhaps not having >> considered overly much just what might happen now that they've introduced that >> kind of 'rock-throwing' behaviour into the game, their subsequent dismay and >> then >> fury at seeing some of their 'own' greenhouse windows being put-out when that >> very >> same rock gets tossed back-over, perhaps doing even 'more' damage on their side >> than it ever did on mine, sending them into a stone-throwing frenzy hahaha, >> only >> of course it's too late by then because all the shields and shutters have been >> have activated, which only makes 'em even more mad hahaha ;-) > > Or is it ? :) > >> iow "people living in 'glass houses' should NOT THROW STONES!" > > Virtual stones to brake my virtual self-righteous bones. > >> or they 'themselves' might just find themselves responsible for the result... > > As are we all. > >> it's good advice people! :) > > Thus very costly :) ### - yeah well i didn't get where i am today without having to 'pay' hehehe, through the friggin' nose! haha! plus all i can say is that so-far it's been utterly worth it + would still be cheap, even at twice the price :) >>>> and then get-stuffed hecklers! ha ha ;-) >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr81olQ1ibk >>>> >>>> (said in good humour btw :) >>> >>> Talkin bout my generation !! >>> (you old farts can go get stuffed :P) >> >> ### - the irreverence of the young can oft-times be refreshing hehehe ;) > > I kinda got that whole irreverence down. > >> why don't you all... f, f, fff, FADE awayyyyy! (hahaha :) > > Live to fart another day ? > >> (where oh where would the world 'be' without humour! ;-) >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAaxJULHcq4 > > Soldier of love. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xb9TSIITY > > Still alive. ### - ahhh back to sade and jazz again (back on safe ground again hehe + whew! :) which is another reason i kinda like jazz - ya can't get into trouble with it :) --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: Tom on 7 Apr 2010 00:26 On Apr 6, 3:26 pm, "slider" <sli...(a)anashram.com> wrote: > Tom wrote... > > If you choose to fantasize about my motivations instead of asking me > about them, you are no longer conversing. You're monologuing. > > ### - actions speak volumes tom, So far you've taken no action. The only volumes you speak are your incessant monologues, spewing the random contents of your highly limited imagination all over a newsgroup with a topic you have no interest in nor knowledge of. > > (last chance tom ) > > Too late. You've already started monologuing. The only questions > you'll be asking from here on will be rhetorical. > > ### - no more questions to you tom, I predicted you'd have no more questions now that you started monologuing. And here you are fulfilling my prediction. Not that you have any choice. After all, you are a pretty simple creature. Not very many options. No flexibility. Just a set of programmed reactions, even when they are clearly not up to the situation.
From: "Bassos" Root on 7 Apr 2010 03:12 "slider" <slider(a)anashram.com> wrote in message news:hpgq6p$1krc$1(a)adenine.netfront.net... > > Bassos wrote... > >>>> I guess i was just uncomfortable with our all on topic content >>>> discussion. >>> >>> ### - well that would be completely understandable... e.g. you telling >>> me in >>> one breath that all astrology is bs >> >> Which was irony/sarcasm. > > ### - lol 'now' he tells me! ha-ha!! > (slider experienced a genuine coffee-spurt moment lol ;-) Well, if the musicians have to tell each other what to play, it'd hardly be jazz. >>> whereon i agree and proceed to qualify my reasons >>> only for you to then reveal in your next breath that actually your right >>> 'into' >>> astrology and can't possibly imagine anyone telling you otherwise haha >> >> Well, i could imagine, but no such poster yet :) >> >>>(i.e. i hadn't deliberately set-out to insult you and then suddenly i'm >>>placed >>>in the >>> position of already having done so, which is basically why i didn't then >>> pursue >>> it >>> when invited to, in-deference to you) >> >> Happy chance ? :) > > ### - well exactly... most people hastily rushing to cover their suddenly > exposed/bared-asses under such circumstances while rapidly trying to > forget/misdirect it ever happened hahaha, only if ya 'listen' to what life > is > attempting/trying to tell/show/reveal-to you during such 'unplanned-for', > unaccounted-for moments, one usually finds the resulting information > and/or > direction being pointed-out to be of a somewhat revealing if not of a > more-profound nature, one that would otherwise probably pass us by under > normal > circumstances... such 'happy-chance' perhaps being quite a lot more than > just > chance alone can account for (there's no such thing as coincidence ;) Well, you can pretty much forego any notions of insulting me. So there was no insult. I merely commented on what by some people would be regarded as an insult. (thereby more commenting on 'cultural' differences) > anyway and accordingly haha, i immediately drew-in all my tentacles, stood > on my > head for a couple of minutes (not quite literally as one would likely have > to be > somewhat more than just double-jointed to accomplish something like that > ha!:) and > then let's err, see how it all goes from there :) Well, if we are creating an event, no looking ahead ! >>>>> and as to your current hecklers... well... >>>> >>>> I blame god :) >>>> >>>>> "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"? >>>> >>>> Bulls in porcelain cabinets should not be throwing stones anyway :) >>> >>> ### - well that's a good point anyway >> >> I am referencing myself as a rockthrower. >> >> Guess who the porcelain cabinet is/are :) > > ### - (hahaha you're making me laugh bassos, stop it! ;-) Serves you right for being so funny yerself. >>> people too quickly often resort to lobbing >>> rocks over their garden fence (trying to do damage i mean) perhaps not >>> having >>> considered overly much just what might happen now that they've >>> introduced that >>> kind of 'rock-throwing' behaviour into the game, their subsequent dismay >>> and >>> then >>> fury at seeing some of their 'own' greenhouse windows being put-out when >>> that >>> very >>> same rock gets tossed back-over, perhaps doing even 'more' damage on >>> their side >>> than it ever did on mine, sending them into a stone-throwing frenzy >>> hahaha, >>> only >>> of course it's too late by then because all the shields and shutters >>> have been >>> have activated, which only makes 'em even more mad hahaha ;-) >> >> Or is it ? :) >> >>> iow "people living in 'glass houses' should NOT THROW STONES!" >> >> Virtual stones to brake my virtual self-righteous bones. >> >>> or they 'themselves' might just find themselves responsible for the >>> result... >> >> As are we all. >> >>> it's good advice people! :) >> >> Thus very costly :) > > ### - yeah well i didn't get where i am today without having to 'pay' > hehehe, > through the friggin' nose! haha! Ah well, 't was not yours to keep anyway, so perhaps it is not so much payment as giving back what was on loan. > plus all i can say is that so-far it's been utterly worth it + would still > be > cheap, even at twice the price :) Without all that stuff you paid, travel is much lighter. >>>>> and then get-stuffed hecklers! ha ha ;-) >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr81olQ1ibk >>>>> >>>>> (said in good humour btw :) >>>> >>>> Talkin bout my generation !! >>>> (you old farts can go get stuffed :P) >>> >>> ### - the irreverence of the young can oft-times be refreshing hehehe >>> ;) >> >> I kinda got that whole irreverence down. >> >>> why don't you all... f, f, fff, FADE awayyyyy! (hahaha :) >> >> Live to fart another day ? >> >>> (where oh where would the world 'be' without humour! ;-) >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAaxJULHcq4 >> >> Soldier of love. >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xb9TSIITY >> >> Still alive. > > ### - ahhh back to sade and jazz again (back on safe ground again hehe + > whew! :) We never left jazz, we are 'doing' jazz, even (or more 'especially') when not openly discussing jazz. > which is another reason i kinda like jazz - ya can't get into trouble with > it :) Ya can't get into trouble on usenet at all. Words on a screen, wooooo, scary!
From: Don Stockbauer on 7 Apr 2010 06:02
On Apr 7, 2:12 am, "Bassos" <Root(a)wan (ask me)> wrote: > "slider" <sli...(a)anashram.com> wrote in message > > news:hpgq6p$1krc$1(a)adenine.netfront.net... > > > > > Bassos wrote... > > >>>> I guess i was just uncomfortable with our all on topic content > >>>> discussion. > > >>> ### - well that would be completely understandable... e.g. you telling > >>> me in > >>> one breath that all astrology is bs > > >> Which was irony/sarcasm. > > > ### - lol 'now' he tells me! ha-ha!! > > (slider experienced a genuine coffee-spurt moment lol ;-) > > Well, if the musicians have to tell each other what to play, it'd hardly be > jazz. > > > > > > >>> whereon i agree and proceed to qualify my reasons > >>> only for you to then reveal in your next breath that actually your right > >>> 'into' > >>> astrology and can't possibly imagine anyone telling you otherwise haha > > >> Well, i could imagine, but no such poster yet :) > > >>>(i.e. i hadn't deliberately set-out to insult you and then suddenly i'm > >>>placed > >>>in the > >>> position of already having done so, which is basically why i didn't then > >>> pursue > >>> it > >>> when invited to, in-deference to you) > > >> Happy chance ? :) > > > ### - well exactly... most people hastily rushing to cover their suddenly > > exposed/bared-asses under such circumstances while rapidly trying to > > forget/misdirect it ever happened hahaha, only if ya 'listen' to what life > > is > > attempting/trying to tell/show/reveal-to you during such 'unplanned-for', > > unaccounted-for moments, one usually finds the resulting information > > and/or > > direction being pointed-out to be of a somewhat revealing if not of a > > more-profound nature, one that would otherwise probably pass us by under > > normal > > circumstances... such 'happy-chance' perhaps being quite a lot more than > > just > > chance alone can account for (there's no such thing as coincidence ;) > > Well, you can pretty much forego any notions of insulting me. > So there was no insult. > I merely commented on what by some people would be regarded as an insult. > (thereby more commenting on 'cultural' differences) > > > anyway and accordingly haha, i immediately drew-in all my tentacles, stood > > on my > > head for a couple of minutes (not quite literally as one would likely have > > to be > > somewhat more than just double-jointed to accomplish something like that > > ha!:) and > > then let's err, see how it all goes from there :) > > Well, if we are creating an event, no looking ahead ! > > >>>>> and as to your current hecklers... well... > > >>>> I blame god :) > > >>>>> "let him who is without sin cast the first stone"? > > >>>> Bulls in porcelain cabinets should not be throwing stones anyway :) > > >>> ### - well that's a good point anyway > > >> I am referencing myself as a rockthrower. > > >> Guess who the porcelain cabinet is/are :) > > > ### - (hahaha you're making me laugh bassos, stop it! ;-) > > Serves you right for being so funny yerself. > > > > > > >>> people too quickly often resort to lobbing > >>> rocks over their garden fence (trying to do damage i mean) perhaps not > >>> having > >>> considered overly much just what might happen now that they've > >>> introduced that > >>> kind of 'rock-throwing' behaviour into the game, their subsequent dismay > >>> and > >>> then > >>> fury at seeing some of their 'own' greenhouse windows being put-out when > >>> that > >>> very > >>> same rock gets tossed back-over, perhaps doing even 'more' damage on > >>> their side > >>> than it ever did on mine, sending them into a stone-throwing frenzy > >>> hahaha, > >>> only > >>> of course it's too late by then because all the shields and shutters > >>> have been > >>> have activated, which only makes 'em even more mad hahaha ;-) > > >> Or is it ? :) > > >>> iow "people living in 'glass houses' should NOT THROW STONES!" > > >> Virtual stones to brake my virtual self-righteous bones. > > >>> or they 'themselves' might just find themselves responsible for the > >>> result... > > >> As are we all. > > >>> it's good advice people! :) > > >> Thus very costly :) > > > ### - yeah well i didn't get where i am today without having to 'pay' > > hehehe, > > through the friggin' nose! haha! > > Ah well, 't was not yours to keep anyway, so perhaps it is not so much > payment as giving back what was on loan. > > > plus all i can say is that so-far it's been utterly worth it + would still > > be > > cheap, even at twice the price :) > > Without all that stuff you paid, travel is much lighter. > > > > > > >>>>> and then get-stuffed hecklers! ha ha ;-) > > >>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr81olQ1ibk > > >>>>> (said in good humour btw :) > > >>>> Talkin bout my generation !! > >>>> (you old farts can go get stuffed :P) > > >>> ### - the irreverence of the young can oft-times be refreshing hehehe > >>> ;) > > >> I kinda got that whole irreverence down. > > >>> why don't you all... f, f, fff, FADE awayyyyy! (hahaha :) > > >> Live to fart another day ? > > >>> (where oh where would the world 'be' without humour! ;-) > > >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAaxJULHcq4 > > >> Soldier of love. > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4xb9TSIITY > > >> Still alive. > > > ### - ahhh back to sade and jazz again (back on safe ground again hehe + > > whew! :) > > We never left jazz, we are 'doing' jazz, even (or more 'especially') when > not openly discussing jazz. > > > which is another reason i kinda like jazz - ya can't get into trouble with > > it :) > > Ya can't get into trouble on usenet at all. > > Words on a screen, wooooo, scary!- People can write so creatively. |