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From: Y.Porat on 17 Jun 2010 22:01 On Jun 18, 1:22 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:69a490d7-46df-467d-9d2d-2d66a8daf99b(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > >> > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >> >news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > >> > > On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > >> > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >> > >>news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups..com... > > >> > >> > On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > >> > >> >> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > >> > >> >>news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... > > >> > >> >> > Y.Porat wrote: > >> > >> >> >> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF > >> > >> >> >> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON > >> > >> >> >> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A > >> > >> >> >> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * > > >> > >> >> > No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen atom, > >> > >> >> > not a > >> > >> >> > neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. > > >> > >> >> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an > >> > >> >> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't necessarily > >> > >> >> mean > >> > >> >> that > >> > >> >> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron. > > >> > >> > rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to > >> > >> > displacement, > >> > >> > if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. > > >> > >> > as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry and > >> > >> > sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! > > >> > >> > And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the telephone > >> > >> > companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference with > >> > >> > electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a > >> > >> > negative > >> > >> > terminal. > > >> > >> You're a rather stupid troll > > >> > > M = E/c^2 > > >> > Still stupid > > >> We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are > >> created through the vector time. > > >> When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical > >> pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. > > >> If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the > >> difference. > > >> E signals through the vector Time. > > ----------------- > > and the time for a single photon energy is > > the Planck time > > hf times Planck time > > Wrong > > hf is NOT a formula for energy per unit time. So you do NOT multiply it by > time to give energy. > > > with its order of ( just from my poor memory) > > > exp -24 second !!!! > > You fail at dimensional analysis and physics as a whole. Get a new hobby .. > like grave digging .. you'll need it soon enough. ----------------------- Hi Josef (:-) (:-) --------------------------
From: Inertial on 17 Jun 2010 22:16 "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:5eabf87b-efd2-410c-9b66-23ea962854cc(a)b29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 18, 1:22 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> >> news:69a490d7-46df-467d-9d2d-2d66a8daf99b(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> >> >> > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >> >news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > > On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> >> > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> >> > >>news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > >> > On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> >> >> > >> >>news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... >> >> >> > >> >> > Y.Porat wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF >> >> > >> >> >> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON >> >> > >> >> >> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A >> >> > >> >> >> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * >> >> >> > >> >> > No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen >> >> > >> >> > atom, >> >> > >> >> > not a >> >> > >> >> > neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. >> >> >> > >> >> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an >> >> > >> >> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't necessarily >> >> > >> >> mean >> >> > >> >> that >> >> > >> >> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron. >> >> >> > >> > rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to >> >> > >> > displacement, >> >> > >> > if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. >> >> >> > >> > as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry and >> >> > >> > sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! >> >> >> > >> > And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the telephone >> >> > >> > companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference >> >> > >> > with >> >> > >> > electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a >> >> > >> > negative >> >> > >> > terminal. >> >> >> > >> You're a rather stupid troll >> >> >> > > M = E/c^2 >> >> >> > Still stupid >> >> >> We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are >> >> created through the vector time. >> >> >> When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical >> >> pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. >> >> >> If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the >> >> difference. >> >> >> E signals through the vector Time. >> > ----------------- >> > and the time for a single photon energy is >> > the Planck time >> > hf times Planck time >> >> Wrong >> >> hf is NOT a formula for energy per unit time. So you do NOT multiply it >> by >> time to give energy. >> >> > with its order of ( just from my poor memory) >> >> > exp -24 second !!!! >> >> You fail at dimensional analysis and physics as a whole. Get a new hobby >> .. >> like grave digging .. you'll need it soon enough. > > ----------------------- > Hi Josef (:-) (:-) You still have no idea who I am and make wild guesses and incorrect conclusions. That's the same way you deal with physics .. wild guesses and incorrect conclusions.
From: BURT on 17 Jun 2010 22:45 On Jun 17, 7:16 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:5eabf87b-efd2-410c-9b66-23ea962854cc(a)b29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 1:22 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > >> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >>news:69a490d7-46df-467d-9d2d-2d66a8daf99b(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com.... > > >> > On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > >> >> > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >> >> >news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups..com... > > >> >> > > On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > >> >> > >>news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > >> > On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > >> >> > >> >>news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... > > >> >> > >> >> > Y.Porat wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF > >> >> > >> >> >> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON > >> >> > >> >> >> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A > >> >> > >> >> >> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * > > >> >> > >> >> > No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen > >> >> > >> >> > atom, > >> >> > >> >> > not a > >> >> > >> >> > neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. > > >> >> > >> >> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an > >> >> > >> >> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't necessarily > >> >> > >> >> mean > >> >> > >> >> that > >> >> > >> >> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron.. > > >> >> > >> > rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to > >> >> > >> > displacement, > >> >> > >> > if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. > > >> >> > >> > as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry and > >> >> > >> > sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! > > >> >> > >> > And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the telephone > >> >> > >> > companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference > >> >> > >> > with > >> >> > >> > electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a > >> >> > >> > negative > >> >> > >> > terminal. > > >> >> > >> You're a rather stupid troll > > >> >> > > M = E/c^2 > > >> >> > Still stupid > > >> >> We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are > >> >> created through the vector time. > > >> >> When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical > >> >> pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. > > >> >> If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the > >> >> difference. > > >> >> E signals through the vector Time. > >> > ----------------- > >> > and the time for a single photon energy is > >> > the Planck time > >> > hf times Planck time > > >> Wrong > > >> hf is NOT a formula for energy per unit time. So you do NOT multiply it > >> by > >> time to give energy. > > >> > with its order of ( just from my poor memory) > > >> > exp -24 second !!!! > > >> You fail at dimensional analysis and physics as a whole. Get a new hobby > >> .. > >> like grave digging .. you'll need it soon enough. > > > ----------------------- > > Hi Josef (:-) (:-) > > You still have no idea who I am and make wild guesses and incorrect > conclusions. That's the same way you deal with physics .. wild guesses and > incorrect conclusions.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Are you someone who can show that protons and electrons are attractive? If it requires force to bring them together how can they be? Mitch Raemsch
From: guskz on 18 Jun 2010 00:19 On Jun 17, 2:18 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com.... > > > > > On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >>news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> > On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > >> >> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > > > >> >>news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... > > > > >> >> > Y.Porat wrote: > > > >> >> >> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF > > > >> >> >> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON > > > >> >> >> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A > > > >> >> >> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * > > > > >> >> > No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen atom, not a > > > >> >> > neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. > > > > >> >> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an > > > >> >> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't necessarily mean > > > >> >> that > > > >> >> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron. > > > > >> > rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to displacement, > > > >> > if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. > > > > >> > as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry and > > > >> > sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! > > > > >> > And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the telephone > > > >> > companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference with > > > >> > electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a negative > > > >> > terminal. > > > > >> You're a rather stupid troll > > > > > M = E/c^2 > > > > Still stupid > > > We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are > > created through the vector time. > > > When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical > > pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. > > > If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the > > difference. > > > E signals through the vector Time. > > ----------------- > and the time for a single photon energy is > the Planck time > hf times Planck time > > with its order of ( just from my poor memory) > > exp -24 second !!!! > ATB > Y.Porat > ------------------------ And since the other 3 spatial dimensions cannot have units smaller that this increment, also demonstrates that the vector time is their creator, not vice-versa.
From: Mathal on 18 Jun 2010 02:39
On Jun 15, 9:31 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I would believe this to be extremely important for science?? > > Have they ever isolated only one proton and one electron (thus one > hydrogen) together and examined their trajectories?? > Yes They have. Nothing unexpected developed. They (physicists) have also isolated anti-protons and anti-electrons joining them into an anti-hydrogen atom and similarly haven't been surprised by the properties of the elements on the experiment. > At what distance does the electron have a uni-directional charge > towards the proton and can be identified as a single particle, and at > what distance they can NO LONGER figure out where the electron is > (electron cloud), nor the direction of it's charge with the proton? I can't give you these details but at the moment the electron becomes a part of the atom it is part of the atom, not a separate electron, any more than the electron is an electron when it an electron-neutrino and a proton combine to form a neutron. As far as physicists can tell the end result of this combination is two down quarks and one up quark with gluons holding them together. -No electron, no electron neutrino, no proton, just a neutron. -The proton is two up quarks and one down quark again with the gluons. The presence of 3 distinct elements in protons and neutrons has been detected, or rather the deflection off the proton or neutron imply three separate focal points. Gluons have never been detected- to my limited knowledge. > > They should have somehow magnetically separated the two, then > gradually let them approach each other until the entity known as a > single electron...becomes instead an electron cloud?? > > #2. And how's the more you know it's location, the less you know it > velocity work with their particle detectors? When it deviates through > their detectors don't they know it's exact location at the exact time > and it's exact velocity? Physicists use cloud chambers to track the vectors of particles in high energy collisions. This is about as close as they can come to determining where and when a particle was. Because of the incredibly small time span you don't get a movie of the track, just the trail of the particles. You know where the particle went and approximately when it was there at each point in the picture but not precisely. Quantum mechanics states that this is unequivocally true and this proposal has never been falsified. Like most of Quantum mechanics it doesn't lend itself to a visual or literal explanation. I know that isn't much help. I personally believe the fundamental tenets of QM will stand. They are just incomplete. Mathal |