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From: Y.Porat on 18 Jun 2010 06:00 On Jun 18, 6:19 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 17, 2:18 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > >news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > >>news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > >> > On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > > > > >> >>news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... > > > > > >> >> > Y.Porat wrote: > > > > >> >> >> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF > > > > >> >> >> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON > > > > >> >> >> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A > > > > >> >> >> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * > > > > > >> >> > No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen atom, not a > > > > >> >> > neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. > > > > > >> >> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an > > > > >> >> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't necessarily mean > > > > >> >> that > > > > >> >> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron. > > > > > >> > rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to displacement, > > > > >> > if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. > > > > > >> > as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry and > > > > >> > sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! > > > > > >> > And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the telephone > > > > >> > companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference with > > > > >> > electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a negative > > > > >> > terminal. > > > > > >> You're a rather stupid troll > > > > > > M = E/c^2 > > > > > Still stupid > > > > We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are > > > created through the vector time. > > > > When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical > > > pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. > > > > If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the > > > difference. > > > > E signals through the vector Time. > > > ----------------- > > and the time for a single photon energy is > > the Planck time > > hf times Planck time > > > with its order of ( just from my poor memory) > > > exp -24 second !!!! > > ATB > > Y.Porat > > ------------------------ > > And since the other 3 spatial dimensions cannot have units smaller > that this increment, also demonstrates that the vector time is their > creator, not vice-versa. --------------- iow the time indicator is the best indicator ???!!! i generally tend to agree with you (nothing is done instantaneous to do something is a synonym of taking time !!! and we dont know a real time that is smaller than Planck time !!! BTW i have a copyright on that idea !! it is not written anywhere else !!! ATB Y.Porat ------------------- ATB Y.Porat ------------------
From: Y.Porat on 18 Jun 2010 06:08 On Jun 18, 4:45 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 17, 7:16 pm, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:5eabf87b-efd2-410c-9b66-23ea962854cc(a)b29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com.... > > > > On Jun 18, 1:22 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > >> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > > >>news:69a490d7-46df-467d-9d2d-2d66a8daf99b(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > > > >> > On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >> On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > >> >> > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >> >> >news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > >> >> > > On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > >> >> > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > >> >> > >>news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > >> >> > >> > On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > >> >> > >> >> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > > >> >> > >> >>news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... > > > >> >> > >> >> > Y.Porat wrote: > > >> >> > >> >> >> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF > > >> >> > >> >> >> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON > > >> >> > >> >> >> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A > > >> >> > >> >> >> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * > > > >> >> > >> >> > No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen > > >> >> > >> >> > atom, > > >> >> > >> >> > not a > > >> >> > >> >> > neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. > > > >> >> > >> >> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an > > >> >> > >> >> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't necessarily > > >> >> > >> >> mean > > >> >> > >> >> that > > >> >> > >> >> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron. > > > >> >> > >> > rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to > > >> >> > >> > displacement, > > >> >> > >> > if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. > > > >> >> > >> > as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry and > > >> >> > >> > sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! > > > >> >> > >> > And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the telephone > > >> >> > >> > companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference > > >> >> > >> > with > > >> >> > >> > electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a > > >> >> > >> > negative > > >> >> > >> > terminal. > > > >> >> > >> You're a rather stupid troll > > > >> >> > > M = E/c^2 > > > >> >> > Still stupid > > > >> >> We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are > > >> >> created through the vector time. > > > >> >> When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical > > >> >> pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. > > > >> >> If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the > > >> >> difference. > > > >> >> E signals through the vector Time. > > >> > ----------------- > > >> > and the time for a single photon energy is > > >> > the Planck time > > >> > hf times Planck time > > > >> Wrong > > > >> hf is NOT a formula for energy per unit time. So you do NOT multiply it > > >> by > > >> time to give energy. > > > >> > with its order of ( just from my poor memory) > > > >> > exp -24 second !!!! > > > >> You fail at dimensional analysis and physics as a whole. Get a new hobby > > >> .. > > >> like grave digging .. you'll need it soon enough. > > > > ----------------------- > > > Hi Josef (:-) (:-) > > > You still have no idea who I am and make wild guesses and incorrect > > conclusions. That's the same way you deal with physics .. wild guesses and > > incorrect conclusions.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Are you someone who can show that protons and electrons are > attractive? > > If it requires force to bring them together how can they be? > > Mitch Raemsch ------------- Proton and electron has opposite charges so by that aspect no reason they should not be combined (in csse the elctron is not too much in vigorous motion !! 2 still there is the other question in which case that process is endothermic and in what case exothermic ?? IT IS NOT A TRIVIAL QUESTION !! (:-) ATB Y.Porat ---------------- ATB Y.Porat ----------------------
From: guskz on 19 Jun 2010 02:29 On Jun 18, 6:00 am, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 18, 6:19 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 17, 2:18 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups..com... > > > > > > > On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >>news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > >> > On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: > > > > > >> >> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > > > > > > >> >>news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... > > > > > > >> >> > Y.Porat wrote: > > > > > >> >> >> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF > > > > > >> >> >> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON > > > > > >> >> >> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A > > > > > >> >> >> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * > > > > > > >> >> > No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen atom, not a > > > > > >> >> > neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. > > > > > > >> >> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an > > > > > >> >> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't necessarily mean > > > > > >> >> that > > > > > >> >> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron.. > > > > > > >> > rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to displacement, > > > > > >> > if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. > > > > > > >> > as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry and > > > > > >> > sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! > > > > > > >> > And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the telephone > > > > > >> > companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference with > > > > > >> > electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a negative > > > > > >> > terminal. > > > > > > >> You're a rather stupid troll > > > > > > > M = E/c^2 > > > > > > Still stupid > > > > > We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are > > > > created through the vector time. > > > > > When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical > > > > pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. > > > > > If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the > > > > difference. > > > > > E signals through the vector Time. > > > > ----------------- > > > and the time for a single photon energy is > > > the Planck time > > > hf times Planck time > > > > with its order of ( just from my poor memory) > > > > exp -24 second !!!! > > > ATB > > > Y.Porat > > > ------------------------ > > > And since the other 3 spatial dimensions cannot have units smaller > > that this increment, also demonstrates that the vector time is their > > creator, not vice-versa. > > --------------- > iow > the time indicator is the best indicator ???!!! > i generally tend to agree with you Not like that, the photon is the smallest unit of MEASUREMENT FOR all dimensions (X,Y, Z) which is a wavelength, that wavelength is only TIME dependent and nothing else. For that reason TIME is the foundation for all other vectors (dimensions) X,Y, Z. ---------------------------------------- A moment is a time unit and a DERIVATIVE (anti-derivative) In space-time metrics: the "moment" term (meaning instantaneous), it is the tangent to the slope. Thus u, u^2,u^3,u^4, u would be the initial vector known as time...and the 3 others are derivatives of time thus the 3 spatial coordinates x,y,z ----------------------- Too compare using Newtons: d, v, a (distance, velocity, acceleration)... velocity is a derivative of distance, and acceleration is a derivative of velocity. To keep it simple the origin thus the initial distance, velocity, acceleration are all three ZERO. v= a t d= 1/2 a t^2 --------------- The most likely reason there are 3 dimension with time, is that there is 3 Newton vectors with time, d, v, a. ----------------------------------- (a rough guess )And 3 characteristic of a wave, wavelength (d), particles/ second(v), and volume/amplitude (a). > (nothing is done instantaneous > to do something is a synonym of taking time !!! > and we dont know a real time that is smaller than > Planck time !!! > BTW > i have a copyright on that idea !! > it is not written anywhere else !!! > > ATB > Y.Porat > ------------------- > > ATB > Y.Porat > ------------------
From: Inertial on 19 Jun 2010 03:36 "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:2fc48bbb-bf40-4773-a127-64c2f2c0b6af(a)j8g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 18, 6:19 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> On Jun 17, 2:18 pm, "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> >> > > > <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> > > >news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> >> > > > > On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> > > > >> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> >> > > > >>news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >> >> > > > >> > On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >> > > > >> >> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >> >> > > > >> >>news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... >> >> > > > >> >> > Y.Porat wrote: >> > > > >> >> >> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF >> > > > >> >> >> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON >> > > > >> >> >> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A >> > > > >> >> >> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * >> >> > > > >> >> > No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen >> > > > >> >> > atom, not a >> > > > >> >> > neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. >> >> > > > >> >> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an >> > > > >> >> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't >> > > > >> >> necessarily mean >> > > > >> >> that >> > > > >> >> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron. >> >> > > > >> > rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to >> > > > >> > displacement, >> > > > >> > if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. >> >> > > > >> > as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry >> > > > >> > and >> > > > >> > sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! >> >> > > > >> > And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the >> > > > >> > telephone >> > > > >> > companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference >> > > > >> > with >> > > > >> > electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a >> > > > >> > negative >> > > > >> > terminal. >> >> > > > >> You're a rather stupid troll >> >> > > > > M = E/c^2 >> >> > > > Still stupid >> >> > > We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are >> > > created through the vector time. >> >> > > When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical >> > > pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. >> >> > > If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the >> > > difference. >> >> > > E signals through the vector Time. >> >> > ----------------- >> > and the time for a single photon energy is >> > the Planck time >> > hf times Planck time >> >> > with its order of ( just from my poor memory) >> >> > exp -24 second !!!! >> > ATB >> > Y.Porat >> > ------------------------ >> >> And since the other 3 spatial dimensions cannot have units smaller >> that this increment, also demonstrates that the vector time is their >> creator, not vice-versa. > > --------------- > iow > the time indicator is the best indicator ???!!! > i generally tend to agree with you > (nothing is done instantaneous > to do something is a synonym of taking time !!! > and we dont know a real time that is smaller than > Planck time !!! > BTW > i have a copyright on that idea !! > it is not written anywhere else !!! quantum time is not your idea. Stop being a thief and a liar. I know its hard for you
From: Owen Jacobson on 19 Jun 2010 09:11
On 2010-06-17 22:16:22 -0400, Inertial said: > "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:5eabf87b-efd2-410c-9b66-23ea962854cc(a)b29g2000vbl.googlegroups.com... On > >> Jun 18, 1:22 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >>> "Y.Porat" <y.y.po...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:69a490d7-46df-467d-9d2d-2d66a8daf99b(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Jun 17, 10:50 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >>> >>>>>> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>>>>> news:aa1e08e9-cca5-4124-ba6d-11147c12cc38(a)h13g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2:59 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>>>>>>> news:1ecc0917-c1bb-43d7-a3c8-afb2c42941f5(a)y11g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 17, 12:20 am, "Inertial" <relativ...(a)rest.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> "Tom Roberts" <tjroberts...(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message >>> >>>>>>>>>> news:V9mdnRQ31ceNA4TRRVn_vwA(a)giganews.com... >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Y.Porat wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> THE *NEUTRON* IS A COMBINATION OF >>>>>>>>>>>> PROTON PLUS ELECTRON >>>>>>>>>>>> CONNECTED LINEARLY AS A >>>>>>>>>>>> **CHAIN OF ORBITALS * >>> >>>>>>>>>>> No, it most definitely is not. You described a hydrogen atom, >>>>>>>>>>> not a >>>>>>>>>>> neutron. They behave CONSIDERABLY differently. >>> >>>>>>>>>> A neutron can decay into a proton and electron (and an >>>>>>>>>> electron-anti-neutrino as I recall). That doesn't necessarily >>>>>>>>>> mean >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> those particle exist as distinct particles inside a neutron. >>> >>>>>>>>> rather is a moment of inertia or inertia a resistance to >>>>>>>>> displacement, >>>>>>>>> if so is simply resistance that what we call mass. >>> >>>>>>>>> as well mass is not called resistance but load in circuitry and >>>>>>>>> sometimes even a substitute for the word ground! >>> >>>>>>>>> And earth also know as mass and ground, sometimes the telephone >>>>>>>>> companies use earth as a positive (when there's interference with >>>>>>>>> electric trains/cars using the same earth), sometimes as a >>>>>>>>> negative >>>>>>>>> terminal. >>> >>>>>>>> You're a rather stupid troll >>> >>>>>>> M = E/c^2 >>> >>>>>> Still stupid >>> >>>>> We all still reside at the Singularity, the spatial dimensions are >>>>> created through the vector time. >>> >>>>> When you hold an object in your hand, it's only a bunch of electrical >>>>> pulses (E) through your hands & eyes telling you it's an object. >>> >>>>> If the pulses (E) were coming from a computer you could not tell the >>>>> difference. >>> >>>>> E signals through the vector Time. >>>> ----------------- >>>> and the time for a single photon energy is >>>> the Planck time >>>> hf times Planck time >>> >>> Wrong >>> >>> hf is NOT a formula for energy per unit time. So you do NOT multiply it by >>> time to give energy. >>> >>>> with its order of ( just from my poor memory) >>> >>>> exp -24 second !!!! >>> >>> You fail at dimensional analysis and physics as a whole. Get a new hobby .. >>> like grave digging .. you'll need it soon enough. >> >> ----------------------- >> Hi Josef (:-) (:-) > > You still have no idea who I am and make wild guesses and incorrect > conclusions. That's the same way you deal with physics .. wild guesses > and incorrect conclusions. Hi Inertial, You seem to have reached a point where Porat decides what you post. -o |