The Electric Car
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From: Eeyore on 25 Sep 2007 19:50 BradGuth wrote: > By then we'd be ........likely living within the moon Brad's detachment from reality is something to behold ! Graham
From: John Larkin on 25 Sep 2007 20:04 On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:01:23 -0700, BradGuth <bradguth(a)gmail.com> wrote: >On Sep 25, 1:42 am, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terr...(a)earthlink.net> >wrote: >> BradGuth wrote: >> >> > So, the regular laws of physics and the best available science are now >> > by way of your standards a "conspiracy theory"? >> >> The conspiracy is you claiming to know anything, like those phony >> bastards who claim to be war vets, but never served. >> >> You keep spouting off about 'the regular laws of physics' The only >> physic you're familiar with is a laxative, which is 'the irregular laws >> of physics' >> >> > - Brad Guth - >> >> -- >> Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to >> prove it. >> Member of DAV #85. >> >> Michael A. Terrell > >MY goodness, another silly Yid like mindset of naysayism Yid? Jewish scientists and inventors have been instrumental in changing the world. John
From: bill on 25 Sep 2007 20:28 On Sep 25, 4:31 pm, John Larkin <jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote: > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:29:58 -0000, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > >On Sep 24, 4:22 pm, Punjab The Sailor Man <boobooililili...(a)yahoo.com> > >wrote: > >> BradGuth wrote: > >> > On Aug 8, 5:47 pm, RichD <r_delaney2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> On Jul 28, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> >>>>>> This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs > >> >>>>>> have too many limitations. > >> >>>>> If they could recharge in 10 mins, the US power grid would burn out > >> >>>> What about these? > >> >>>>http://altairnano.com/markets_amps.html > >> >>> Shockingly expensive. $75,000 per vehicle just for batteries. > >> >>>http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/07/altair_nanotech.html > >> >> Expensive, who cares? We're talking about the > >> >> ENVIRONMENT, we can't worry about filty lucre. > >> >> What are you, a greedy Republican? > > >> >> Let the gov't fund it, won't cost a farthing! That's > >> >> why we need visionaries like Al Gore, bold men > >> >> not afraid to take on the special interests, leading > >> >> by example. > > >> > I agree. What else is our government good for, if not to impress us > >> > with all of it's wizardly expertise and can-do mindset. > >> > - > > >> > The all electric car is technically doable, although having even a > >> > small onboard ICE for the minimal cruising needs of sustaining 60+ mph > >> > might represent a good compromise, especially if it's contributing > >> > zero NOx and minimal CO2 at a hybrid usage of 200 empg per fossil fuel > >> > usage. > > >> > The Electric Car / sci.electronics.design > >> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thre... > >> > On Sep 22, 5:26 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> BradGuthwrote: > >> >>> Eeyore wrote: > >> >>>> BradGuthwrote: > >> >>>>> Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, > >> >>>>> although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 > >> >>>>> empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot > >> >>>>> end-user is going to require some degree of luck. > >> >>>> The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. > >> >>> Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise > >> >>> being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and > >> >>> only status quo norm. > >> >> I suggest you find out the frontal area and drag coefficient of a Hummer, plus its > >> >> weight and rolling resistance. > > >> >> If you had the ability to do the required 'sums' I'm sure you'll find that the power > >> >> required to propel it under a typical driving regime will never allow '100 mpg' or its > >> >> equivalent. Ditto for 200 mpg and the Volt. > > >> > Double ditto right back at you, as I've been there and done that. Of > >> > course double-ditto-duh once again, as it's hybrid city or local > >> > commute empg, and having replaced our mostly N2 atmosphere with that > >> > robust fluid of h2o2, so that we obtain the most clean energy and best > >> > amount of bang per gallon of whatever fossil or biofuel, is actually > >> > accomplished within existing physics and doable technology. > > >> > I believe the mass ratio is something like roughly 7:1 up to 7.2:1 for > >> > h2o2/c12h26 (hydrogen peroxide / kerosene or RP-1), a little better on > >> > certain heavier fuel oils such as diesel No.2 and perhaps nearly as > >> > good enough with plain old gasoline, and a bit worse off with certain > >> > biofuels, though all dual fuel injected and 100% computer controlled > >> > (of course), so that your little zero NOx engine for that hybrid > >> > Hummer or GM Volt can safely mix and match to almost any combination > >> > of fossil and biofuels as your heart desires. > >> >http://www.dunnspace.com/alternate_ssto_propellants.htm > > >> > We're also talking about a fairly small radial turbine or some other > >> > rotary efficient engine that's driving a direct coupled high speed > >> > alternator. I suppose you've got those insurmountable problems with > >> > that as well. > > >> > What's your sorry excuse for being such an all-knowing naysay stick in > >> > the mud? > >> > - Brad Guth - > > >> How about a propane hybrid? > > >Propane and h2o2 is perfectly fine and dandy, as the given hybrid car, > >suv or Hummer could manage to operate rather nicely on both at the > >same time, because there's a lot of clean energy in h2o2/propane to > >work with. > >- Brad Guth - > > Propane and air would be even better. Propane piston engines are very > clean and very reliable, rately even needing oil changes. > > The shorter the aliphatic chain, the more energy is delivered by > hydrogen and the less delivered by carbon. Given that methane is kinda > hard to store, propane (C3H8) or butane (C4H10) are good choices, if > only we had an economical way to manufacture them. > > H2O2 sounds like nasty, dangerous, expensive stuff: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_peroxide#Hazards > > "The saying is 'peroxides kill chemists'" > > John now you've done it, you have blasphemed about guth's god of h2o2, any mention of the serious and severe dangers with handling, manufacture and storage of high purity h2o2 provoke full armed responses from that particular stupid freak.
From: BradGuth on 25 Sep 2007 20:36 On Sep 25, 3:19 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > BradGuth wrote: > > So, the regular laws of physics and the best available science are now > > by way of your standards a "conspiracy theory"? > > According to you they must be since that's what the scientsists and engineers use. > > Graham Obviously you and others of your wizardly kind know a whole lot more than all the rest of us village idiots combined. So, when exactly are you and others of your all-knowing kind going to start knocking our socks off? Is there any such 'must do' list of KT certified as new and improved ideas to pick from? Besides your continual naysayism that's well suited to a flat Earth that has an orbiting sun, do you have any of those new and improved applications of physics and technology that'll directly benefit humanity by keeping us from falling off the edge, or in any way help to salvage our badly failing environment? - Brad Guth -
From: BradGuth on 25 Sep 2007 20:38
On Sep 24, 1:51 am, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > BradGuth wrote: > > On Sep 23, 7:41 pm, ChairmanOfTheBored <RUBo...(a)crackasmile.org> > > wrote: > > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:25:18 -0000, BradGuth <bradg...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >On Sep 22, 5:48 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...(a)My- > > > >Web-Site.com> wrote: > > > >> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:06:46 -0000,BradGuth<bradg...(a)gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> >On Sep 22, 1:29 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > > > >> >wrote: > > > >> >>BradGuthwrote: > > > >> >> > Luck has little if anything to do with those regular laws of physics, > > > >> >> > although the R&D science of getting this 100 empg Hummer or the 200 > > > >> >> > empg GM Volt into the dumbfounded hands of the typical village idiot > > > >> >> > end-user is going to require some degree of luck. > > > > >> >> The 'regular laws of physics' are going to prevent both of those ever happening. > > > > >> >> Graham > > > > >> >Arnt you being a silly brown-nosed clown again, and for otherwise > > > >> >being stuck in that land of naysayism, as representing your one and > > > >> >only status quo norm. > > > > >> >Some of us are sharing about getting the most clean and best possible > > > >> >empg per given volume or mass of fossil fuel, such as for using that > > > >> >fossil fuel along with h2o2 instead of badly burning our polluted > > > >> >atmosphere that's mostly N2. What the naysay puck on a stick are you > > > >> >thinking of? > > > >> >- Brad Guth - > > > > >> Methinks Brad proves that ignorance IS an excuse. > > > > >Methinks you're another brown-noed minion of the Third Reich, or > > > >perhaps of something far worse since you folks continually claim to > > > >know all there is to know, and then some. > > > >- Brad Guth - > > > > Let's just say that you are not providing us with any breakthrough, > > > startlingly "new" information, dumbass. > > > That is true, because those related laws of physics certainly haven't > > changed, and there's not really any new and improved science from the > > past few decades. > > > In other words, the h2o2 + whatever fuel combinations are still the > > same, still capable of offering a zero NOx and minimal CO2 exhaust, > > and still capable of getting 100 empg on behalf of that hybrid Hummer, > > or 200 empg from that GM Volt. > > Where are the calculations ? > > 100 mpg Hummers are simply NOT possible. > > Graham- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Obviously a relatively small fuel-cell like battery of h2o2/aluminum is offering terrific energy density, as being currently doable as is. The use of h2o2 along with whatever fossil fuel that's in liquid form (including whatever biofuels), on behalf of feeding a given IC engine, is also doable as is. The combination of feeding h2o2 into the compact fuel-cell/battery or stored electron providing unit, along with feeding the dual injected little ceramic radial turbine engine that's of a one-cycle internal combustion efficient alternative to the otherwise pathetic four-cycle IC engine that's so mechanically and thermaldynamically inefficient, whereas instead my hybrid alternative with its nifty one-cycle and mostly ceramic little IC engine will create the absolute minimal CO2 and zero NOx, which is also perfectly doable as is. The GM Volt for example could achieve a relatively good deal of driving performance and provide that safe 4X passenger car as capable of offering a sustained 200 empg per fossil gallon of fuel, and that's no lie. The likes of Warren Buffett, William Mook and myself will take care of supplying all the spare/surplus capacity of clean renewable energy for creating such nifty products of stored energy, as well as for boosting our nations's power grid, or on behalf whatever local applications you'd see fit to invest or waste such energy upon, and trust that this too is no lie, as being currently doable as is. Of course 50+ years ago perhaps not, but we could and should have been into accomplishing all of this as of a couple of decades ago, because it's all old physics and of the kind of proven science that's replicated to death as of before then. - Brad Guth - |