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From: MooseFET on 10 Aug 2007 21:30 On Aug 10, 4:43 pm, James Arthur <dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 28, 12:59 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > Can we now re-charge in say 10 mins? > > > No. > > > This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs have too many > > limitations. > > > Graham > > A little late, perhaps, to comment on the first posting of this > thread, but what of Toshiba's 1-minute [sic] Li-Ion cells? Great > potential, IMHO. > > Toshiba Lithium Ion Batteries (80% charge in 1 minute): > http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_03/pr2901.htm > http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/toshibarsquos_f.html > > related discussion: > http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2006/nf20060124_5834.htm .... and when they fail you have a rocket powered car for a few seconds. > > Cheers, > James Arthur
From: John Larkin on 10 Aug 2007 22:33 On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:41:56 -0700, James Arthur <dagmargoodboat(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >Cheers, >> >James Arthur >> >> Quit being such an optimist. Nobody likes an optimist. >> >> John > > >Would it help if I were bitter? > It would certainly be more fashionable. >Cheers, See, you're doing it again! John
From: Bob Myers on 10 Aug 2007 23:19 "MooseFET" <kensmith(a)rahul.net> wrote in message news:1186757375.298576.231300(a)q4g2000prc.googlegroups.com... >> You find a practical way to move a real-world three-ton wheeled >> vehicle 100 miles on a gallon-of-gas-equivalent, and I guarantee >> you you'll have PLENTY of people's attention. >> >> But you don't really have that, do you? > > That was done years ago. Unfortunately, it results in an average speed > of about 15MPH. On level ground, the friction losses can be made low > enough at low speeds to get very long ranges out of a small amount of > gas. Yeah, but that's where the "practical" qualifier comes in. I really doubt that you'd find many people willing to accept limiting their driving to 15 MPH on level ground with special low-rolling-resistance tires, etc.. In other words - "special demo" sorts of examples don't count. Bob M.
From: James Arthur on 10 Aug 2007 23:52 On Aug 10, 5:29 pm, MooseFET <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote: > On Aug 10, 11:14 am, James Arthur <dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 10, 6:43 am, MooseFET <kensm...(a)rahul.net> wrote: [..] > > > The economy is doing so-so at best. We have a mixed collection of > > > measures of it. > > > Indications are always mixed--it's quite impossible for all sectors to > > simultaneously boom, as many are in competition. > > > Overall, growth, inflation, employment, etc. are as good as it gets. > > If you're not happy now, you never will be. > > You haven't looked closely enough. Right now the US is running a > large deficit and has quite low interest rates. These are both things > that in the short term stimulate the economy. It is like a car with > the gas pressed all the way to the floor and only gets up to 45 MPH. > It is a lot faster than I can run but still a lot less that should be > expected. Exactly how fast do you think the economy should grow? The Federal Reserve Board has been trying to *slow* the economy since mid-2004, and that's still their focus today. Perhaps you should e-mail Mr. Bernanke: http://www.federalreserve.gov/feedback.cfm As for the deficit, I don't like it, but find it hard to understand why you think it's related to GDP, or why 3% of GDP would make any difference in the short haul. It won't. > The US has a decreasing size of middle class. The working class is > seeing a net loss of standard of living. Most of the middle class is > also seeing a decrease in standard of living. The debt is piling up > and the average worker age is increasing. None of these are things by > them selves would be a major problem but combined they point to a > decline. > > There is also a serious concentration of power and wealth happening. > The trend is towards a small number of companies being a big fraction > of the economy. This is never a good thing for the long term survival > of an empire. It leads to a fragile situation. With many small > companies, a mistake only impacts a small part of the economy. > Increasingly, a mistake by a company impacts a larger part of the > overal economy. I understand you believe these things. I invite you to show the quantitative basis for those beliefs. It would help if you define some of your terms--what is "middle class"? What is "standard of living"? Do you mean that real wages have decreased? Kindly show that. Be sure to include benefits-- retirement and healthcare in your figures...the result may surprise you. Cheers, James Arthur
From: Eeyore on 11 Aug 2007 00:18
James Arthur wrote: > Eeyore wrote: > > gyansor...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > Can we now re-charge in say 10 mins? > > > > No. > > > > This is another reason why hybrids make more sense. Pure EVs have too many > > limitations. > > A little late, perhaps, to comment on the first posting of this > thread, but what of Toshiba's 1-minute [sic] Li-Ion cells? Great > potential, IMHO. > > Toshiba Lithium Ion Batteries (80% charge in 1 minute): > http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2005_03/pr2901.htm > http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/toshibarsquos_f.html > > related discussion: > http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/jan2006/nf20060124_5834.htm When they can make them in vehicle sizes there can be a discussion. Not until then. Graham |