From: Eric Gisse on

yen, ka-in wrote:
> Phineas T Puddleduck wrote:
> > On 2006-12-28 00:02:32 +0000, "Ka-In Yen" <yenkain(a)yahoo.com.tw> said:
> >
> > >>> Dear Sam Wormley,
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank for your information. A strong pitching, but BALL. :(
> > >>> The target is the A, not A' . So please aim to the A, and pitch
> > >>> again.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Remember - three strikes and yer out!
> > >
> > > Three strikes and Einstein out!
> > > Mathematically I prove that Einstein was ill-trained in 3D
> > > vector algebra; STR was based on incomplete physical
> > > mathematics.
> >
> > Mathematically you prove nothing
> >
> > In an arbitrarily curved manifold, what does the area vector represent?
> > I.e for a surface that is corrugated like cardboard, what direction
> > does the area vector of an irregularly drawn shape on the surface take
> > and what does it represent?
>
> Please refer to area integral:
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/intare.html#c1

I think you first need to learn vector algebra before you move on to
vector calculus.

From: Phineas T Puddleduck on
On 2006-12-28 00:44:28 +0000, "yen, ka-in" <yenkain(a)yahoo.com.tw> said:

> Please refer to area integral:
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/intare.html#c1

Great for dA, but what about A? A is a unique, single vector...

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From: Phineas T Puddleduck on
On 2006-12-28 01:00:09 +0000, "Eric Gisse" <jowr.pi(a)gmail.com> said:

>>> Mathematically you prove nothing
>>>
>>> In an arbitrarily curved manifold, what does the area vector represent?
>>> I.e for a surface that is corrugated like cardboard, what direction
>>> does the area vector of an irregularly drawn shape on the surface take
>>> and what does it represent?
>>
>> Please refer to area integral:
>> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/intare.html#c1
>
> I think you first need to learn vector algebra before you move on to
> vector calculus.

Note he cannot answer the question... ;-)

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From: Sam Wormley on
Ka-In Yen wrote:
> Pmb wrote:
>> "Phineas T Puddleduck" <phineaspuddleduck(a)googlemail.com> wrote in message
>> news:458fd74a$0$15523$88260bb3(a)free.teranews.com...
>>> On 2006-12-25 04:33:44 +0000, "yen, ka-in" <yenkain(a)yahoo.com.tw> said:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for your question. In 3D vector algebra, there are
>>>> four basic operations: addition, dot product, cross product, and
>>>> scalar multiplication. To get the area of the parallelogram generated
>>>> from vectors A and B, cross product has to be used: area=AXB;
>>>> so the area HAS TO be a vector.
>>> And the area is only defined for flat space.
>> I don't follow. Who was it that claimed that area was a vector???? That's
>> total nonsense. Taking the cross product of two vectors does yield another
>> vector. The *magnitude* of the vector being equal to the parallelagram
>> defined by the two vectors.
>
> Dear Pete,
>
> Thank for your comment. In 3D vector algebra, there are four
> basic operations: addition, dot product, cross product, and
> scalar multiplication. A parallelepiped is constructed from three
> vectors: A, B, and C. The volume of the parallelepiped is
> volume=A dot (B cross C).
>>From the above equation, we can conclude that area HAS
> TO be a vector.
>

Volume = A.BxC = C.AxB = B.CxA
Area_1 = A.B = B.A
Area_2 = C.B = B.C
Area_3 = C.A = A.C


From: Sam Wormley on
yen, ka-in wrote:

>
> Please refer to area integral:
> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/intare.html#c1
>

Where dA is a vector "normal to the area" at a point on the surface.
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