Ubuntu/GNOME deteriorating?
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From: The Natural Philosopher on 26 Mar 2010 15:05 Moshe wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:56:09 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > > >>> Sure do. >>> Most people choose the option to not use it in the first place. >> No most are not even aware of the choice. >> >> Of those that are, I would say the vast majority choose to use it. >> >> The very few that fail are those who almost, but not quite, too stupid >> to use a computer. > > Classic Linux advocate tactic to blame the user for Linux's > faults. I was just following your example. I thought you would be flattered.
From: The Natural Philosopher on 26 Mar 2010 15:10 Ignoramus8345 wrote: > On 2010-03-26, The Natural Philosopher <tnp(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> Ignoramus8345 wrote: >>> On 2010-03-26, Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc(a)launchmodem.com> wrote: >>>>> I use Linux to conduct my entire digital life, I do not dual boot, it >>>>> is not a play project for me. I live, breathe, and make money with >>>>> Linux. And I want it to work instead of being a game of chance. At >>>>> this point I am considering to maybe switch to CentOS, at least for >>>>> the laptop. >>>> You have a LOT of options, with Linux. >>>> >>> That's what I am trying to figure out, what option can I use to get >>> something relatively bug free. I want to play sound, flash, use user >>> switching and network manager where appropriate. >>> >> Looks like lenny should do all that. >> >> You will have to log in and out of the default desktop manager to switch >> users. > > So there is no "live" switching in Lenny? Where two users can switch > between permanent sessions? Is that right? > I cant say I have ever had to do that. Or wanted to. Its PROBABLY a function of the window system rather then the distro. Perhaps someone else knows the answer. I dont. > i
From: RonB on 26 Mar 2010 15:40 On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:35:31 -0500, Ignoramus8345 wrote: > OK, say, in CentOS 5.4, can I: > > 1) Switch users doing "live user switching" Don't know what that is. You can log out of one user and log into another without rebooting the computer. > 2) Does sound work even for multiple users Yes. > 3) Does it have Network Manager Yes. > 4) Is it upgradeable to later vers From one minor release to the next. For example, I upgraded from CentOS 5.2 to 5.3, then to 5.4. When 6.0 comes out it will probably require a reinstall. -- RonB Registered Linux User #498581 CentOS 5.4 or Vector Linux Deluxe 6.0
From: Robert Heller on 26 Mar 2010 15:45 At Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:35:31 -0500 Ignoramus8345 <ignoramus8345(a)NOSPAM.8345.invalid> wrote: > > On 2010-03-26, Robert Heller <heller(a)deepsoft.com> wrote: > > At Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:45:59 -0500 Ignoramus8345 <ignoramus8345(a)NOSPAM.8345.invalid> wrote: > > > >> My big problem with Fedora was that I could never upgrade Fedora from > >> one release to the next. I used it for years, and gave up for this > >> reason and some others (such as it screwing up my config files). > >> > >> Is that still the case? > > > > Yes. > > > > RHEL/CentOS/SL has long term *stable* support. > > OK, say, in CentOS 5.4, can I: > > 1) Switch users doing "live user switching" Don't know. I am not sure what that is. I don't use GNome myself. > 2) Does sound work even for multiple users On the same machine at the same time? On for any of several different users, with only one user logged in at a time? The latter works just fine, as far as I am aware. Note: CentOS, like RHEL is going to have an 'old' kernel. RHEL/CentOS also drops support for really old hardware (eg ISA devices). CentOS-Plus (CentOS 4.x) has kernels with additional modules included and ELRepo (CentOS 5.x) has loose modules available to connect to the stock kernel for additional drivers. You might need this for some sound cards (either bleeding edge or really old ones). > 3) Does it have Network Manager Yes. I use it on my laptop. Don't use it elsewhere (server or fixed desktops). > 4) Is it upgradeable to later versions of CentOS or do I have to > reinstall Trivial / automagical to upgrade point releases (eg 5.3 to 5.4, 4.6 to 4.7, etc.) -- just with a 'yum update'. The installer does include an upgrade option for upgrading major releases (eg 4.x to 5.x), but this is not really recomended -- it works, but often it leaves random cruft behind (which can cause strange issues later). I have heard of people upgrading major releases with yum (on a server), but I've not ever done that. *I* always have separate partitions for /boot, /, /var, /usr, and /home (and others). I also generally create fresh file systems for /, /var, /usr when doing major updates, keeping the old file systems around (as a source of config files, etc.). In the *old* days, this was by installing on a new disk, leaving the old disk alone -- easy with a SCSI system. Most recently, using LVM and carving fresh logical volumns for the new O/S version (eventually I'll toss the old FS's and recycle them via lvdelete). > > Thanks > -- Robert Heller -- 978-544-6933 Deepwoods Software -- Download the Model Railroad System http://www.deepsoft.com/ -- Binaries for Linux and MS-Windows heller(a)deepsoft.com -- http://www.deepsoft.com/ModelRailroadSystem/
From: Ignoramus8345 on 26 Mar 2010 15:47
On 2010-03-26, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:35:31 -0500, Ignoramus8345 wrote: > >> OK, say, in CentOS 5.4, can I: >> >> 1) Switch users doing "live user switching" > > Don't know what that is. You can log out of one user and log into another > without rebooting the computer. What I can do on Ubuntu is: 1) I log on and open some applications 2) I click on "Switch user" 3) I log on as another user and open more apps 4) I select "switch user" 5) I go back to the first user and to my opened apps 6) and so on >> 2) Does sound work even for multiple users > > Yes. > >> 3) Does it have Network Manager > > Yes. > >> 4) Is it upgradeable to later vers > > From one minor release to the next. For example, I upgraded from CentOS > 5.2 to 5.3, then to 5.4. When 6.0 comes out it will probably require a > reinstall. > What is the difference between minor and major releases? i |