Zero Size Physics, revisited
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From: mpc755 on 3 Jun 2010 23:07 On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > use to measure it. > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > of the model to man. de Broglie said it best. 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located. A very important point must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the v wave." "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle." The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. The external field acting on the particle is the aether. A moving particle has an associated aether wave.
From: BURT on 3 Jun 2010 23:30 On Jun 3, 7:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In article <ec75844a-19dd-42d7-8823-057ab7017251@ > 31g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, macromi...(a)yahoo.com says... > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 5:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > That is an assumption. Wave patterns for sure are detected. > > > Prove it. Please repeat so I can know that you have given up. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Wave patterns are not detected all at once. > That doesn't matter. What matters is that they are wave patterns. You do not need a particle of light for the energy to enter the matter. You need a wave that oscillates into the energy particles of the detector. Mitch Raemsch > The interference pattern is > not created by individual waves. Yes it is. Waves of light are deteced individually as they shrink into energy of matter and electrons jump. Mitch Raemsch > over time by the detection of particles of light (i.e. photons). > > Here is an image of the interference pattern being formed by photons > being detected at the screen over time:http://www.cbu.edu/~jvarrian/252/photslit.gif > Image (a) is of 1000 photons detected after 10 seconds. Image (b) is > of 60000 photons detected after 10 minutes. > > Notice how the photon 'particles' create the interference pattern. > > The photon 'particle' enters and exits a single slit. The photon wave > enters and exits both slits and alters the direction the photon > 'particle' travels.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: mpc755 on 3 Jun 2010 23:38 On Jun 3, 11:30 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 7:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > In article <ec75844a-19dd-42d7-8823-057ab7017251@ > > 31g2000prc.googlegroups.com>, macromi...(a)yahoo.com says... > > > > On Jun 3, 5:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > That is an assumption. Wave patterns for sure are detected. > > > > Prove it. Please repeat so I can know that you have given up. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Wave patterns are not detected all at once. > > > That doesn't matter. What matters is that they are wave patterns. You > do not need a particle of light for the energy to enter the matter. > You need a wave that oscillates into the energy particles of the > detector. > A wave that oscillates into a particle at the detector is a wave which has an associated particle. > Mitch Raemsch > > > The interference pattern is > > not created by individual waves. > > Yes it is. Waves of light are deteced individually as they shrink into > energy of matter and electrons jump. > The interference pattern is not created by AN individual wave. The interference pattern is created the detection of many photons. Here is an image of the interference pattern being formed by photons being detected at the screen over time: http://www.cbu.edu/~jvarrian/252/photslit.gif Image (a) is of 1000 photons detected after 10 seconds. Image (b) is of 60000 photons detected after 10 minutes. Notice how the photon 'particles' create the interference pattern. The photon 'particle' enters and exits a single slit. The photon wave enters and exits both slits and alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. > Mitch Raemsch > > > over time by the detection of particles of light (i.e. photons). > > > Here is an image of the interference pattern being formed by photons > > being detected at the screen over time:http://www.cbu.edu/~jvarrian/252/photslit.gif > > Image (a) is of 1000 photons detected after 10 seconds. Image (b) is > > of 60000 photons detected after 10 minutes. > > > Notice how the photon 'particles' create the interference pattern. > > > The photon 'particle' enters and exits a single slit. The photon wave > > enters and exits both slits and alters the direction the photon > > 'particle' travels.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > >
From: BURT on 3 Jun 2010 23:44 On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > use to measure it. > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > of the model to man. > > de Broglie said it best. > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > by the double solution theory > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > v wave." > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > of an external field acting on the particle." > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 3 Jun 2010 23:57
On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > use to measure it. > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > of the model to man. > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > by the double solution theory > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > v wave." > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. > > Mitch Raemsch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes through exactly one of the slits." |