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From: BURT on 4 Jun 2010 00:08 On Jun 3, 8:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > > use to measure it. > > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > > of the model to man. > > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > by the double solution theory > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001..pdf > > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > v wave." > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well you said it wasn't a function. Do you do your own work? Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 4 Jun 2010 00:40 On Jun 4, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 8:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether.. > > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > > > use to measure it. > > > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > > > of the model to man. > > > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > v wave." > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > > > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > > > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > > > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well you said it wasn't a function. > > Do you do your own work? > > Mitch Raemsch Did you miss the part in the quote about the particle passes through exactly one of the slits? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes through exactly one of the slits."
From: BURT on 4 Jun 2010 00:51 On Jun 3, 9:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 4, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > > > > use to measure it. > > > > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > > > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > > > > of the model to man. > > > > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > > > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > > > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > v wave." > > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > > > > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > > > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > > > > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > > > > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well you said it wasn't a function. > > > Do you do your own work? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Did you miss the part in the quote about the particle passes through > exactly one of the slits? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - You badgered me about it not being a function. Now you are telling me that I should believe it is? Which is it? Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 4 Jun 2010 01:20 On Jun 4, 12:51 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 9:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 4, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 8:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > > > > > use to measure it. > > > > > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > > > > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > > > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > > > > > of the model to man. > > > > > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > > > > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > > > > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > v wave." > > > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > > > > > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > > > > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > > > > > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > > > > > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Well you said it wasn't a function. > > > > Do you do your own work? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Did you miss the part in the quote about the particle passes through > > exactly one of the slits? > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > You badgered me about it not being a function. Now you are telling me > that I should believe it is? > > Which is it? > > Mitch Raemsch In Aether Displacement the wave, not a wavefunction but a physical wave, travels through both slits. You said Bohm said it better. I am pointing out to you in de Broglie- Bohm theory there is a particle which travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes through exactly one of the slits."
From: BURT on 4 Jun 2010 02:07
On Jun 3, 10:20 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 4, 12:51 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 4, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > > > > > > use to measure it. > > > > > > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > > > > > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > > > > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > > > > > > of the model to man. > > > > > > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > > > > > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > > > > > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > v wave." > > > > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > > > > > > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > > > > > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > > > > > > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > > > > > > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Well you said it wasn't a function. > > > > > Do you do your own work? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Did you miss the part in the quote about the particle passes through > > > exactly one of the slits? > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > You badgered me about it not being a function. Now you are telling me > > that I should believe it is? > > > Which is it? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > In Aether Displacement the wave, not a wavefunction but a physical > wave, travels through both slits. > > You said Bohm said it better. I am pointing out to you in de Broglie- > Bohm theory there is a particle which travels a single path and enters > and exits a single slit. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - What's your point? Is it what you say or is what de Broglie says that I should believe? Mitch Raemsch |