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From: mpc755 on 2 Jun 2010 19:37 On Jun 2, 7:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 3:43 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 6:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 2, 2:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 4:05 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > Einstein won. He questioned what he won the Nobel Prize for. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Not sure what you mean by that but I do not think it has anything to > > > > do with wave-particle duality. > > > > > 'Louis de Broglie'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie > > > > > "His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta > > > > (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. > > > > This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on > > > > the work of Albert Einstein and Max Planck on light. The thesis > > > > examiners, unsure of the material, passed his thesis to Einstein for > > > > evaluation who endorsed his wave-particle duality proposal > > > > wholeheartedly; de Broglie was awarded his doctorate. This research > > > > culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving > > > > particle or object had an associated wave." > > > > > The associated wave is an aether wave. > > > > > If an ocean wave arrived on shore and was always detected at a > > > > particular point on the shore then the ocean wave would have a > > > > particle associated with it. An ocean wave does not arrive at one > > > > particular point on the shore. An ocean wave arrives along a wide > > > > width of the shore. The ocean wave arrives along a wide width of the > > > > shore because the wave does not have an associated particle. > > > > > A photon is always detected as a particle because a very small region > > > > of the photon wave is occupied by the photon particle. The photon > > > > particle may exist as a very small region of the wave itself. > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > > electric energy." > > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > > associated with the photon wave. > > > > Matter is wave particle except for the neutrino. And light is just > > > wave. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > physically impossible: > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > physically impossible: > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > electric energy." > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > associated with the photon wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Stop arguing with me. Light is a wave alone and you can not prove it > otherwise. Particles are not needed for wave absorption. If you insist > then show why an EM wave cannot enter energy by collapsing? > > Mitch Raemsch You're arguing with yourself. You insist a photon does not have an associated particle and then you continually say: "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." and "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its electric energy." The ability of the photon to oscillate into a particle IS the photon particle.
From: BURT on 2 Jun 2010 19:40 On Jun 2, 4:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 7:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 3:43 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 2, 6:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 2:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 2, 4:05 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Einstein won. He questioned what he won the Nobel Prize for. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by that but I do not think it has anything to > > > > > do with wave-particle duality. > > > > > > 'Louis de Broglie'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie > > > > > > "His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta > > > > > (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. > > > > > This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on > > > > > the work of Albert Einstein and Max Planck on light. The thesis > > > > > examiners, unsure of the material, passed his thesis to Einstein for > > > > > evaluation who endorsed his wave-particle duality proposal > > > > > wholeheartedly; de Broglie was awarded his doctorate. This research > > > > > culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving > > > > > particle or object had an associated wave." > > > > > > The associated wave is an aether wave. > > > > > > If an ocean wave arrived on shore and was always detected at a > > > > > particular point on the shore then the ocean wave would have a > > > > > particle associated with it. An ocean wave does not arrive at one > > > > > particular point on the shore. An ocean wave arrives along a wide > > > > > width of the shore. The ocean wave arrives along a wide width of the > > > > > shore because the wave does not have an associated particle. > > > > > > A photon is always detected as a particle because a very small region > > > > > of the photon wave is occupied by the photon particle. The photon > > > > > particle may exist as a very small region of the wave itself. > > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > > > electric energy." > > > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > > > associated with the photon wave. > > > > > Matter is wave particle except for the neutrino. And light is just > > > > wave. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > > physically impossible: > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > > physically impossible: > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > electric energy." > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > associated with the photon wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Stop arguing with me. Light is a wave alone and you can not prove it > > otherwise. Particles are not needed for wave absorption. If you insist > > then show why an EM wave cannot enter energy by collapsing? > > > Mitch Raemsch Please show why a wave of energy cannot collapse into matter at absorption. I say you need no particle for light to enter matter. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 2 Jun 2010 20:02 On Jun 2, 7:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 4:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 7:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 2, 3:43 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 6:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 2, 2:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 4:05 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Einstein won. He questioned what he won the Nobel Prize for. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by that but I do not think it has anything to > > > > > > do with wave-particle duality. > > > > > > > 'Louis de Broglie'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie > > > > > > > "His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta > > > > > > (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. > > > > > > This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on > > > > > > the work of Albert Einstein and Max Planck on light. The thesis > > > > > > examiners, unsure of the material, passed his thesis to Einstein for > > > > > > evaluation who endorsed his wave-particle duality proposal > > > > > > wholeheartedly; de Broglie was awarded his doctorate. This research > > > > > > culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving > > > > > > particle or object had an associated wave." > > > > > > > The associated wave is an aether wave. > > > > > > > If an ocean wave arrived on shore and was always detected at a > > > > > > particular point on the shore then the ocean wave would have a > > > > > > particle associated with it. An ocean wave does not arrive at one > > > > > > particular point on the shore. An ocean wave arrives along a wide > > > > > > width of the shore. The ocean wave arrives along a wide width of the > > > > > > shore because the wave does not have an associated particle. > > > > > > > A photon is always detected as a particle because a very small region > > > > > > of the photon wave is occupied by the photon particle. The photon > > > > > > particle may exist as a very small region of the wave itself. > > > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > > > > electric energy." > > > > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > > > > associated with the photon wave. > > > > > > Matter is wave particle except for the neutrino. And light is just > > > > > wave. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > > > physically impossible: > > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > > > physically impossible: > > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > > electric energy." > > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > > associated with the photon wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Stop arguing with me. Light is a wave alone and you can not prove it > > > otherwise. Particles are not needed for wave absorption. If you insist > > > then show why an EM wave cannot enter energy by collapsing? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Please show why a wave of energy cannot collapse into matter at > absorption. I am saying a photon wave collapses when detected and is detected as a particle of mæther. > I say you need no particle for light to enter matter. > You have said repeatedly a light wave collapses into a point particle. The ability of the photon to collapse into a point particle IS the associated photon wave. If you have the basement windows open and there is a hurricane and an ocean wave enters through the windows is the ocean wave entering the basement as a particle? Of course not. The ocean wave does not have the ability to collapse and be detected as a particle. A photon has wave-particle duality. The ability of the wave to collapse and be detected as a particle IS the 'particle' associated with the photon.
From: mpc755 on 2 Jun 2010 20:23 On Jun 2, 7:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 4:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 7:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 2, 3:43 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 6:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 2, 2:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 4:05 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Einstein won. He questioned what he won the Nobel Prize for. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by that but I do not think it has anything to > > > > > > do with wave-particle duality. > > > > > > > 'Louis de Broglie'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie > > > > > > > "His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta > > > > > > (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. > > > > > > This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on > > > > > > the work of Albert Einstein and Max Planck on light. The thesis > > > > > > examiners, unsure of the material, passed his thesis to Einstein for > > > > > > evaluation who endorsed his wave-particle duality proposal > > > > > > wholeheartedly; de Broglie was awarded his doctorate. This research > > > > > > culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving > > > > > > particle or object had an associated wave." > > > > > > > The associated wave is an aether wave. > > > > > > > If an ocean wave arrived on shore and was always detected at a > > > > > > particular point on the shore then the ocean wave would have a > > > > > > particle associated with it. An ocean wave does not arrive at one > > > > > > particular point on the shore. An ocean wave arrives along a wide > > > > > > width of the shore. The ocean wave arrives along a wide width of the > > > > > > shore because the wave does not have an associated particle. > > > > > > > A photon is always detected as a particle because a very small region > > > > > > of the photon wave is occupied by the photon particle. The photon > > > > > > particle may exist as a very small region of the wave itself. > > > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > > > > electric energy." > > > > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > > > > associated with the photon wave. > > > > > > Matter is wave particle except for the neutrino. And light is just > > > > > wave. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > > > physically impossible: > > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > > > physically impossible: > > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > > electric energy." > > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > > associated with the photon wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Stop arguing with me. Light is a wave alone and you can not prove it > > > otherwise. Particles are not needed for wave absorption. If you insist > > > then show why an EM wave cannot enter energy by collapsing? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Please show why a wave of energy cannot collapse into matter at > absorption. I am saying a photon wave collapses when detected and is detected as a particle of mæther. > I say you need no particle for light to enter matter. You have said repeatedly a light wave collapses into a point particle. The ability of the photon to collapse into a point particle IS the associated photon particle. If you have the basement windows open and there is a hurricane and an ocean wave enters through the windows is the ocean wave entering the basement as a particle? Of course not. The ocean wave does not have the ability to collapse and be detected as a particle. A photon has wave-particle duality. The ability of the wave to collapse and be detected as a particle IS the 'particle' associated with the photon.
From: BURT on 2 Jun 2010 20:44
On Jun 2, 5:23 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 7:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 4:37 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 2, 7:26 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 3:43 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 2, 6:27 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 2:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 4:05 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Einstein won. He questioned what he won the Nobel Prize for.. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > Not sure what you mean by that but I do not think it has anything to > > > > > > > do with wave-particle duality. > > > > > > > > 'Louis de Broglie'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_de_Broglie > > > > > > > > "His 1924 doctoral thesis, Recherches sur la théorie des quanta > > > > > > > (Research on Quantum Theory), introduced his theory of electron waves. > > > > > > > This included the wave-particle duality theory of matter, based on > > > > > > > the work of Albert Einstein and Max Planck on light. The thesis > > > > > > > examiners, unsure of the material, passed his thesis to Einstein for > > > > > > > evaluation who endorsed his wave-particle duality proposal > > > > > > > wholeheartedly; de Broglie was awarded his doctorate. This research > > > > > > > culminated in the de Broglie hypothesis stating that any moving > > > > > > > particle or object had an associated wave." > > > > > > > > The associated wave is an aether wave. > > > > > > > > If an ocean wave arrived on shore and was always detected at a > > > > > > > particular point on the shore then the ocean wave would have a > > > > > > > particle associated with it. An ocean wave does not arrive at one > > > > > > > particular point on the shore. An ocean wave arrives along a wide > > > > > > > width of the shore. The ocean wave arrives along a wide width of the > > > > > > > shore because the wave does not have an associated particle. > > > > > > > > A photon is always detected as a particle because a very small region > > > > > > > of the photon wave is occupied by the photon particle. The photon > > > > > > > particle may exist as a very small region of the wave itself. > > > > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > > > > > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement > > > > > > > of yours is physically impossible: > > > > > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > > > > > electric energy." > > > > > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > > > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > > > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > > > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > > > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > > > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > > > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > > > > > associated with the photon wave. > > > > > > > Matter is wave particle except for the neutrino. And light is just > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > > > > physically impossible: > > > > > > "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." > > > > > > If light were just wave then the following statement of yours if > > > > > physically impossible: > > > > > > "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its > > > > > electric energy." > > > > > > What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part > > > > > of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of > > > > > the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained > > > > > entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of > > > > > this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must > > > > > be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of > > > > > the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle > > > > > associated with the photon wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Stop arguing with me. Light is a wave alone and you can not prove it > > > > otherwise. Particles are not needed for wave absorption. If you insist > > > > then show why an EM wave cannot enter energy by collapsing? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Please show why a wave of energy cannot collapse into matter at > > absorption. > > I am saying a photon wave collapses when detected and is detected as a > particle of mæther. > > > I say you need no particle for light to enter matter. > > You have said repeatedly a light wave collapses into a point particle. > The ability of the photon to collapse into a point particle IS the > associated photon particle. > The wave collapses or oscillates into point energy or what is called mass. There is no need for a particle nature for this to happen. Finite density oscillating light energy concentrates itself into the electric mass of a particle. Non electric mass doesn't absorb light. Mitch Raemsch > If you have the basement windows open and there is a hurricane and an > ocean wave enters through the windows is the ocean wave entering the > basement as a particle? Of course not. The ocean wave does not have > the ability to collapse and be detected as a particle. > > A photon has wave-particle duality. The ability of the wave to > collapse and be detected as a particle IS the 'particle' associated > with the photon.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |