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From: mpc755 on 4 Jun 2010 09:22 On Jun 4, 2:07 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 10:20 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 4, 12:51 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 9:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 4, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > > > > > > > use to measure it. > > > > > > > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave.. But, there > > > > > > > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > > > > > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > > > > > > > of the model to man. > > > > > > > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > > > > > > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > > > > > > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > v wave." > > > > > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > > > > > > > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > > > > > > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > > > > > > > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > > > > > > > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Well you said it wasn't a function. > > > > > > Do you do your own work? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Did you miss the part in the quote about the particle passes through > > > > exactly one of the slits? > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > You badgered me about it not being a function. Now you are telling me > > > that I should believe it is? > > > > Which is it? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > In Aether Displacement the wave, not a wavefunction but a physical > > wave, travels through both slits. > > > You said Bohm said it better. I am pointing out to you in de Broglie- > > Bohm theory there is a particle which travels a single path and enters > > and exits a single slit. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > What's your point? Is it what you say or is what de Broglie says that > I should believe? > > Mitch Raemsch We are discussing the particle associated with a light wave. de Broglie and Bohm believe a light wave has an associated particle. You said you agreed with Bohm. I am pointing out Bohm believe a light wave consisted of a particle which travels a single path and enters and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes through exactly one of the slits." Do you agree with Bohm or don't you?
From: mpc755 on 4 Jun 2010 12:57 The polarization state affects the diffraction pattern. That is what the article refers to as fringes and anti-fringes. 'Double-slit quantum eraser' http://grad.physics.sunysb.edu/~amarch/Walborn.pdf "Suppose that in front of each slit we place a quarter-wave plate, with the fast axis at an angle of 45° (or -45°) with respect to the photon polarization direction. Upon traversing either one of the wave plates, the photon becomes circularly polarized, and acquires a well- defined angular momentum. Supposing that the wave plate is free to rotate, it should acquire an angular momentum opposite to that of the photon, and rotate right or left, depending on the chirality of the photon." The quarter-wave plates in front of each slit cause there to be two interference patterns created at detector Ds. One associated with the right photons and one associated with the left photons. The cumulative coincidence counts of the two interference patterns results in Fig 7. "Experimentally, this can be done by placing a polarizer in the path of beam p and orientating it at +45° to select [|+>p] or at -45° to select [|->p]. The interference pattern is recovered through the coincidence detection of photons s and p. Notice that the fringes obtained in the two cases are out of phase. They are commonly called fringes and antifringes." The placement of the polarizer in the path of beam p discerns the two interference patterns created at detector Ds. Cumulative coincidence counts of Fig. 4 and Fig. 5 result in Fig. 7.
From: BURT on 4 Jun 2010 14:14 On Jun 4, 6:22 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 4, 2:07 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 10:20 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 4, 12:51 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 4, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail..com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > > > > > > > > use to measure it. > > > > > > > > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > > > > > > > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > > > > > > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > > > > > > > > of the model to man. > > > > > > > > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > > > > > > > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > > > > > > > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > v wave." > > > > > > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > > > > > > > > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > > > > > > > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > > > > > > > > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > > > > > > > > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Well you said it wasn't a function. > > > > > > > Do you do your own work? > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > Did you miss the part in the quote about the particle passes through > > > > > exactly one of the slits? > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > You badgered me about it not being a function. Now you are telling me > > > > that I should believe it is? > > > > > Which is it? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > In Aether Displacement the wave, not a wavefunction but a physical > > > wave, travels through both slits. > > > > You said Bohm said it better. I am pointing out to you in de Broglie- > > > Bohm theory there is a particle which travels a single path and enters > > > and exits a single slit. > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > What's your point? Is it what you say or is what de Broglie says that > > I should believe? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > We are discussing the particle associated with a light wave. de > Broglie and Bohm believe a light wave has an associated particle. > > You said you agreed with Bohm. I am pointing out Bohm believe a light > wave consisted of a particle which travels a single path and enters > and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > through exactly one of the slits." > > Do you agree with Bohm or don't you?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - My point is that when I used the term function you said I was wrong. I was just pointing out that according to that you must agree that De Broglie and Bohm were also wrong. If they are wrong in that case they can be wrong about the particle also. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 4 Jun 2010 14:34
On Jun 4, 2:14 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 4, 6:22 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 4, 2:07 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jun 3, 10:20 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 4, 12:51 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 4, 12:08 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 11:44 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:07 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 9:03 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:41 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:36 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 7:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 3, 8:17 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 6:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 29, 7:21 am, eon <ynes9...(a)techemail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the predictors says that all particles are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > zero size, dimensions disappears ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no lengths, areas, volumes and space > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at particles level, say under 100 pico > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so if no volume, no space, no dimensions !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how then does a particle knows in which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > direction she must travel ??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i wish i could understand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle..' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the point where the particle is located. A very important point must > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > v wave.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle and the wave act as one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is seen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The particle is what is detected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It figures with "seeing" physics like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Einstein's relativity. Wave physics, on the other hand, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mechanical physics, like radar, which has inherent delay- because it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is measured in terms of the instrument. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on what machine you use. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It depends on the experiment you are performing and what machine you > > > > > > > > > > > > use to measure it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Its very difficult to separate the particle from the wave. But, there > > > > > > > > > > > are instances where the particle rules the model- also there are > > > > > > > > > > > instances where the wave rules the model- it depends on the usefulness > > > > > > > > > > > of the model to man. > > > > > > > > > > > de Broglie said it best. > > > > > > > > > > > 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics > > > > > > > > > > by the double solution theory > > > > > > > > > > Louis de BROGLIE'http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf > > > > > > > > > > > "The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration > > > > > > > > > > constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be > > > > > > > > > > interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is > > > > > > > > > > defined as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very > > > > > > > > > > large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion > > > > > > > > > > rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave > > > > > > > > > > at the point where the particle is located. A very important point > > > > > > > > > > must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be > > > > > > > > > > acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting > > > > > > > > > > the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the > > > > > > > > > > v wave." > > > > > > > > > > > "I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the > > > > > > > > > > wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case > > > > > > > > > > of an external field acting on the particle." > > > > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. > > > > > > > > > > The external field acting on the particle is the aether.. > > > > > > > > > > > A moving particle has an associated aether wave.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > No. Bohm said it better. The wave tells the particle how to move. > > > > > > > > > Aether wave tells energy how to vibrate. > > > > > > > > > > The aether wave center and particle of point energy share the same > > > > > > > > > motion through space and clock slowdown from this motion. When aether > > > > > > > > > waves collapse because of light it is a different physics.. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Well you said it wasn't a function. > > > > > > > > Do you do your own work? > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Did you miss the part in the quote about the particle passes through > > > > > > exactly one of the slits? > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > You badgered me about it not being a function. Now you are telling me > > > > > that I should believe it is? > > > > > > Which is it? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > In Aether Displacement the wave, not a wavefunction but a physical > > > > wave, travels through both slits. > > > > > You said Bohm said it better. I am pointing out to you in de Broglie- > > > > Bohm theory there is a particle which travels a single path and enters > > > > and exits a single slit. > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > > > through exactly one of the slits."- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > What's your point? Is it what you say or is what de Broglie says that > > > I should believe? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > We are discussing the particle associated with a light wave. de > > Broglie and Bohm believe a light wave has an associated particle. > > > You said you agreed with Bohm. I am pointing out Bohm believe a light > > wave consisted of a particle which travels a single path and enters > > and exits a single slit in a double slit experiment. > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory > > > "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both > > slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes > > through exactly one of the slits." > > > Do you agree with Bohm or don't you?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > My point is that when I used the term function you said I was wrong. I > was just pointing out that according to that you must agree that De > Broglie and Bohm were also wrong. > > If they are wrong in that case they can be wrong about the particle > also. > > Mitch Raemsch 'Interpretation of quantum mechanics by the double solution theory Louis de BROGLIE' http://www.ensmp.fr/aflb/AFLB-classiques/aflb124p001.pdf 'I called this relation, which determines the particle's motion in the wave, "the guidance formula". It may easily be generalized to the case of an external field acting on the particle.' 'The particle when in motion on its wave, thus has its vibration constantly in phase with that of the wave. This result may be interpreted by noticing that, in the present theory, the particle is de¯ned as a very small region of the wave where the amplitude is very large, and it therefore seems quite natural that the internal motion rythm of the particle should always be the same as that of the wave at the point where the particle is located. A very important point must be underlined here. For this interpretation of the guidance to be acceptable, the dimensions of the minute singular region constituting the particle ought to be very small compared to the wavelength of the v wave.' The 'particle' occupies a very small region of its associated wave. The external field acting on the particle is the aether. A moving particle has an associated aether wave. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie%E2%80%93Bohm_theory "In de BroglieBohm theory, the wavefunction travels through both slits, but each particle has a well-defined trajectory and passes through exactly one of the slits." You said you agreed with Bohm. Bohm states the particle has a well- defined trajectory and passes through exactly one of the slits. Do you agree with Bohm or don't you? |