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From: mpc755 on 2 Jun 2010 15:32 On Jun 2, 3:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > No. EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles. > Only the wave nature can be proven beyond a doubt. There is > no physics that requires light to be a particle at absorption. > It can go into electric energy anyway. > > Mitch Raemsch I don't see how you do not realize you are contradicting yourself. The wave oscillation into the particle is the 'particle'. From another of your posts: "No. The screen is absorbing waves. A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its electric energy. A particle nature is not needed for the absorption of light." An ocean wave which washes ashore does not oscillate into a point particle because an ocean wave does not consist of a particle. A light wave oscillates into a point particle because a photon consists of a physical particle and a physical wave. Here is an image of the interference pattern being formed by photons being detected at the screen over time: http://www.cbu.edu/~jvarrian/252/photslit.gif Image (a) is of 1000 photons detected after 10 seconds. Image (b) is of 60000 photons detected after 10 minutes. Notice how the photon 'particles' create the interference pattern. The photon 'particle' enters and exits a single slit. The photon wave enters and exits both slits and alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels.
From: BURT on 2 Jun 2010 15:40 On Jun 2, 12:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 3:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > No. EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles. > > Only the wave nature can be proven beyond a doubt. There is > > no physics that requires light to be a particle at absorption. > > It can go into electric energy anyway. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > I don't see how you do not realize you are contradicting yourself. A particle is not necessary. The wave oscillates into energy. There is no contradiction. If there is it would be from you. I prove my case by asking the right question. What wave is the particle in: the electric or the magnetic? Keeping in mind that they are at right angles to each other. Mitch Raemsch > > The wave oscillation into the particle is the 'particle'. > > From another of your posts: > > "No. The screen is absorbing waves. A light wave oscillates into the > point particle giving it its electric energy. > > A particle nature is not needed for the absorption of light." > > An ocean wave which washes ashore does not oscillate into a point > particle because an ocean wave does not consist of a particle. > > A light wave oscillates into a point particle because a photon > consists of a physical particle and a physical wave. > > Here is an image of the interference pattern being formed by photons > being detected at the screen over time:http://www.cbu.edu/~jvarrian/252/photslit.gif > Image (a) is of 1000 photons detected after 10 seconds. Image (b) is > of 60000 photons detected after 10 minutes. Notice how the photon > 'particles' create the interference pattern. > > The photon 'particle' enters and exits a single slit. The photon wave > enters and exits both slits and alters the direction the photon > 'particle' travels.
From: mpc755 on 2 Jun 2010 15:44 On Jun 2, 3:40 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 12:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jun 2, 3:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > No. EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles. > > > Only the wave nature can be proven beyond a doubt. There is > > > no physics that requires light to be a particle at absorption. > > > It can go into electric energy anyway. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > I don't see how you do not realize you are contradicting yourself. > > A particle is not necessary. The wave oscillates into energy. > Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement of yours is physically impossible: "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement of yours is physically impossible: "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its electric energy." What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle associated with the photon wave.
From: BURT on 2 Jun 2010 15:52 On Jun 2, 12:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 3:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > No. EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles. > > Only the wave nature can be proven beyond a doubt. There is > > no physics that requires light to be a particle at absorption. > > It can go into electric energy anyway. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > I don't see how you do not realize you are contradicting yourself. > > The wave oscillation into the particle is the 'particle'. > > From another of your posts: > > "No. The screen is absorbing waves. A light wave oscillates into the > point particle giving it its electric energy. > > A particle nature is not needed for the absorption of light." > > An ocean wave which washes ashore does not oscillate into a point > particle because an ocean wave does not consist of a particle. > > A light wave oscillates into a point particle because a photon > consists of a physical particle and a physical wave. > > Here is an image of the interference pattern being formed by photons > being detected at the screen over time:http://www.cbu.edu/~jvarrian/252/photslit.gif > Image (a) is of 1000 photons detected after 10 seconds. Image (b) is > of 60000 photons detected after 10 minutes. Notice how the photon > 'particles' create the interference pattern. > > The photon 'particle' enters and exits a single slit. The photon wave > enters and exits both slits and alters the direction the photon > 'particle' travels. Please stop repeating your argument as if you have won. It is clear that light only needs a wave and that light particles are to be questioned and ruled out. Einstein was right to question what he won the Nobel Prize for. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 2 Jun 2010 16:01
On Jun 2, 3:52 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jun 2, 12:32 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 2, 3:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > No. EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles. > > > Only the wave nature can be proven beyond a doubt. There is > > > no physics that requires light to be a particle at absorption. > > > It can go into electric energy anyway. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > I don't see how you do not realize you are contradicting yourself. > > > The wave oscillation into the particle is the 'particle'. > > > From another of your posts: > > > "No. The screen is absorbing waves. A light wave oscillates into the > > point particle giving it its electric energy. > > > A particle nature is not needed for the absorption of light." > > > An ocean wave which washes ashore does not oscillate into a point > > particle because an ocean wave does not consist of a particle. > > > A light wave oscillates into a point particle because a photon > > consists of a physical particle and a physical wave. > > > Here is an image of the interference pattern being formed by photons > > being detected at the screen over time:http://www.cbu.edu/~jvarrian/252/photslit.gif > > Image (a) is of 1000 photons detected after 10 seconds. Image (b) is > > of 60000 photons detected after 10 minutes. Notice how the photon > > 'particles' create the interference pattern. > > > The photon 'particle' enters and exits a single slit. The photon wave > > enters and exits both slits and alters the direction the photon > > 'particle' travels. > > Please stop repeating your argument as if you have won. > It is clear that light only needs a wave and that light particles are > to be questioned and ruled out. > > Einstein was right to question what he won the Nobel Prize for. > > Mitch Raemsch It is not a matter of winning. It is a matter of explaining to you your repeated assertion the photon wave oscillates into a particle requires there to be a 'particle' associated with a photon. If an ocean wave arrived on shore and was always detected at a particular point on the shore then the ocean wave would have a particle associated with it. An ocean wave does not arrive at one particular point on the shore. An ocean wave arrives along a wide width of the shore. The ocean wave arrives along a wide width of the shore because the wave does not have an associated particle. A photon is always detected as a particle because a very small region of the photon wave is occupied by the photon particle. The photon particle may exist as a very small region of the wave itself. Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement of yours is physically impossible: "EM waves can oscillate into electric matter particles." Without a 'particle' associated with a photon, the following statement of yours is physically impossible: "A light wave oscillates into the point particle giving it its electric energy." What you are unable to understand is the 'particle' may exist as part of the wave itself. The 'particle' may exist as a very small region of the wave itself. The 'particle' does not have to be a self-contained entity. The 'particle' exists when detected. However, the ability of this very small region of the wave to be detected as a 'particle' must be considered a particle. It is the ability of a very small region of the photon wave to be detected as a particle which is the particle associated with the photon wave. |