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From: T i m on 27 May 2010 05:03 On Thu, 27 May 2010 09:17:21 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) wrote: >> My thoughts ... (and this is ignoring corporate greed etc), if it cost >> �50 to assemble an iPhone in China and �75 to have it assembled in the >> UK, would that just knock Apples profits by �25? > >No, it would just put the price up by �25. Hmm, but on something that is already 'expensive' would that really be an issue? > When it comes down to it, as >you know yourself one of the normal critisisms against apple is how >overpriced it is. That's not true though is it? > After a decade of using china for manufacturing >everything, we are used to the fact that everything is much cheaper than >it used to be. And than it really aught to be? I mean, I wonder how many less they (especially Apple) would sell. ie I believe you have ordered one of the lower end iPads because you have used logic and reasoning (knowing you have the MiFi etc) to select a model to suit your projected needs. However, whilst you might have again chosen that model from the range you would still have bought one even if it was �25 more expensive (�25 in what, �500?). > >> If so, wouldn't it be better (ethically) for it to be that way or is >> it still better to provide this sort of work to someone in the far >> East even with their known working conditions? > >It is better for have the work done there I would have thought. Not >having any income isn't liable to improve the suicide rate. Indeed. >In an idea world it would be good to have the manufacturing done here >from an economic point of view (ie, our economy), but I doubt it would >be possible to get enough people to do it and it would push the prices >up to a point where people wouldn't buy them. Hmmm ... Cheers, T i m
From: T i m on 27 May 2010 05:06 On Thu, 27 May 2010 09:18:06 +0100, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: >On 2010-05-27, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>>I can't see a link in any of the media I've seen. The only vague stab >>>has been a correlation between age and suicide, and a 'lost generation'. >>>But hardly the hard scientific data you seem to have seen - where did >>>you get it? >>> >> Nothing scientific Rob, just a news item on the TV. >> >> Georges reply seem to suggest Apple may better_than_most in this field >> but one might still question the ethics of the whole lets get it made >> cheaply in the far East thing. > >In which case you'll be wanting to throw out products made by the following >Foxconn customers: > >Apple. >Cisco. >Dell. >Nokia. >Intel. >HP/Compaq. >Sony. >IBM. >Korn Corp. >Motorola. >nVidia. >Nintendo. >Microsoft. >Amazon (the Kindle) > >and probably lots and lots of others. Yup. ;-) There is nothing any of those supply that is worth someones life. Cheers, T i m
From: Jim on 27 May 2010 05:12 On 2010-05-27, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 27 May 2010 09:17:21 +0100, usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk (Woody) > wrote: > > >>> My thoughts ... (and this is ignoring corporate greed etc), if it cost >>> �50 to assemble an iPhone in China and �75 to have it assembled in the >>> UK, would that just knock Apples profits by �25? >> >>No, it would just put the price up by �25. > > Hmm, but on something that is already 'expensive' would that really be > an issue? No, especially as they could absorb some of that (their profit margins tend towards 30%). Additionally they could play the 'locally made' card for all they're worth, which would be great advertising for them. The fact that they don't tells me that it would cost a lot more than �25 Jim -- Twitter:@GreyAreaUK "RESEARCH showing that men lie more than women is proof they should stop asking them awkward questions in the first place, say scientists." - The Daily Mash
From: Jim on 27 May 2010 05:18 On 2010-05-27, T i m <news(a)spaced.me.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>I can't see a link in any of the media I've seen. The only vague stab >>>>has been a correlation between age and suicide, and a 'lost generation'. >>>>But hardly the hard scientific data you seem to have seen - where did >>>>you get it? >>>> >>> Nothing scientific Rob, just a news item on the TV. >>> >>> Georges reply seem to suggest Apple may better_than_most in this field >>> but one might still question the ethics of the whole lets get it made >>> cheaply in the far East thing. >> >>In which case you'll be wanting to throw out products made by the following >>Foxconn customers: >> >>Apple. >>Cisco. >>Dell. >>Nokia. >>Intel. >>HP/Compaq. >>Sony. >>IBM. >>Korn Corp. >>Motorola. >>nVidia. >>Nintendo. >>Microsoft. >>Amazon (the Kindle) >> >>and probably lots and lots of others. > > Yup. ;-) > > There is nothing any of those supply that is worth someones life. True, but you have to remember that Foxconn is _huge_. We're talking about a company that has a workforce with numbers close to that of a city. The suicide rate may well be just the national average. And again, remember we're dealing with a culture that regards losing face with much more seriousness than we do. Jim -- Twitter:@GreyAreaUK "RESEARCH showing that men lie more than women is proof they should stop asking them awkward questions in the first place, say scientists." - The Daily Mash
From: Jim on 27 May 2010 05:23
On 2010-05-27, Jim <jim(a)magrathea.plus.com> wrote: >>> >>>and probably lots and lots of others. >> >> Yup. ;-) >> >> There is nothing any of those supply that is worth someones life. > > True, but you have to remember that Foxconn is _huge_. We're talking about a > company that has a workforce with numbers close to that of a city. The I've just checked - according to CNN they employ close to half a million people (486,000 as of 2009). <http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2009/snapshots/11204.html> Jim -- Twitter:@GreyAreaUK "RESEARCH showing that men lie more than women is proof they should stop asking them awkward questions in the first place, say scientists." - The Daily Mash |