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From: Woody on 16 Mar 2010 20:04 On 16/03/2010 23:59, Peter Ceresole wrote: > Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > >> You would think so, but surely they would already know that, unless they >> plan to release it and not worry about what the EU thinks? > > I don't think they can ignore the regulation- it would lose them the > entire legit European market, which they wouldn't want to afford. Don't they have big enough cash reserves to buy europe now? > There will probably br some destructive method to remove the battery, > and they'll include the instructions with the Pad. That should cover > them. But who knows; they may actually see sense... Not really apples way! -- Woody
From: Rowland McDonnell on 17 Mar 2010 00:13 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Peter Ceresole wrote: > > Bruce Horrocks<07.013(a)scorecrow.com> wrote: > > > >> Lower half of page 13 of the guidelines here refers to the relevant > >> sections. > >> http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file47433.pdf > > > > (i) > > no person shall place on the market any appliance designed in such a way > > that a waste battery cannot be readily removed from it; and > > (ii) > > shall ensure that that appliance into which a battery is or may be > > incorporated with a battery is accompanied by instructions showing how > > the battery can be removed safely and, where appropriate, informing the > > end-user of the type of battery incorporated. > > > > So they don't have to be changeable, but user-removable. That will > > certainly apply to the iPad, and it's EU-wide, so the market is big > > enough that Apple will have to comply with it even if there's no > > equivalent US regulation (maybe there is?) > > You would think so, but surely they would already know that, unless they > plan to release it and not worry about what the EU thinks? Remember that Apple couldn't even make lead-free iSight cameras in time for the new regs on EU electronic kit - the excuse was all sorts of waffle about working closely with, to provide customers with, all other products, aren't we great, blah, blah blah - missing the point that they'd have five whole years to change to lead-free solder and simply hadn't bothered doing so. Apple seems not to bother with EU regulations in the design phase - or so it's seemed when I've looked at this and that. They seem to take EU regulations into account later on than the initial design phase - who knows, it might be that with typical Apple arrogance, Apple assumes that they can sell whatever the hell they like, and sod the local laws. Then they find out that they can't just break EU laws (e.g., the iTunes store stuff - Apple wanted to break EU sales legislation and didn't seem to understand that you can't sell illegally in the EU if they know where to find you, because no matter how you argue that you've got good business reasons for doing what you do, no matter how you argue that the market demands what you're doing, the EU just comes back with `You are in breach of EU directive number blah, stop it, and if you do it again, you'll get a fine. If you don't stop, you'll get a fine. If you carry on after being fined, you'll get a bigger fine. You choose.' The EU's older than Apple, and has more patience, more lawyers, more money - and more machine guns, which is a bit worrying[1]. Rowland. [1] I'm not talking about the member states, I'm talking about the security arrangements for the actual central apparatus of the EU. <shrug> I'll just have to steal a tank when I decide to storm Strasbourg and Brussels. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Chris Ridd on 17 Mar 2010 02:17 On 2010-03-16 22:30:53 +0000, Peter Ceresole said: > Bruce Horrocks <07.013(a)scorecrow.com> wrote: > >> Lower half of page 13 of the guidelines here refers to the relevant >> sections. >> http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file47433.pdf > > (i) > no person shall place on the market any appliance designed in such a way > that a waste battery cannot be readily removed from it; and > (ii) > shall ensure that that appliance into which a battery is or may be > incorporated with a battery is accompanied by instructions showing how > the battery can be removed safely and, where appropriate, informing the > end-user of the type of battery incorporated. > > So they don't have to be changeable, but user-removable. That will > certainly apply to the iPad, and it's EU-wide, so the market is big > enough that Apple will have to comply with it even if there's no > equivalent US regulation (maybe there is?) Not wanting to sound like a lawyer, but nowhere does that text indicate the battery has to be *user* removable. Instructions describing sending it back to the mothership would seem to address the 2nd part of these guidelines, and I bet that Apple is able to readily remove a battery from an iPad... Still, these are just the guidelines and not the actual regulations themselves. Maybe the regulations are more precisely worded. -- Chris
From: Steve Firth on 17 Mar 2010 02:46 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Last thing I heard, Germany was *still* the biggest exporter in the > world, by value. No, China is the world's biggest exporter by value.
From: Woody on 17 Mar 2010 04:01
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > Peter Ceresole wrote: > > > Woody<usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > >> You would think so, but surely they would already know that, unless they > > >> plan to release it and not worry about what the EU thinks? > > > > > > I don't think they can ignore the regulation- it would lose them the > > > entire legit European market, which they wouldn't want to afford. > > > > Don't they have big enough cash reserves to buy europe now? > > Don't be silly. > > Last thing I heard, Germany was *still* the biggest exporter in the > world, by value. Sorry, i forgot to add <joke> tags for you. -- Woody www.alienrat.com |