lilo removal in squeeze (or, "please test grub2")
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From: William Pitcock on 23 May 2010 00:00 Hi, After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where lilo can reliably determine the payload size. This bug *can* be fixed, but not without a significant rewrite of the way that lilo's stage2 loader code works. Given that there is no active upstream and that the Debian lilo package carries many patches for bug fixes that are alleviated by standardizing on grub2, this seems like the best option for Debian. This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze is released so that any issues can be resolved now. As for removal, the following things need to be done: (1) The release notes need to be updated to reflect that lilo is no longer a bootloader option; (2) The debian-installer team needs to remove the lilo-installer udeb; (3) The ftpmasters need to remove lilo from unstable (which will be done using the appropriate bug filing once the above steps are made); (4) Users need to test grub2 now. William
From: briand on 23 May 2010 00:40 On Sat, 22 May 2010 22:39:52 -0500 William Pitcock <nenolod(a)dereferenced.org> wrote: > > As for removal, the following things need to be done: > > (1) The release notes need to be updated to reflect that lilo is no > longer a bootloader option; > (2) The debian-installer team needs to remove the lilo-installer udeb; > (3) The ftpmasters need to remove lilo from unstable (which will be > done using the appropriate bug filing once the above steps are made); > (4) Users need to test grub2 now. > grub is really, really, really annoying. if grub2 is going to be the standard, and more importantly lilo will no longer be an option, is it possible that the documentation could be updated so that mere mortals can understand how it works and be able to modify the boot sequence without having to be #$%@! bootloader experts ? The last time I tried to figure out how to configure grub I removed it and installed lilo, and I'm hardly the only one who has that reaction. *sigh*. I guess it's time to take one for the team... Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100522213132.0f75373d(a)windy.deldotd.com
From: Stan Hoeppner on 23 May 2010 01:50 briand(a)aracnet.com put forth on 5/22/2010 11:31 PM: > The last time I tried to figure out how to configure grub I removed it > and installed lilo, and I'm hardly the only one who has that reaction. +1 > *sigh*. I guess it's time to take one for the team... No, resist forced conformity. This is Linux. We have multiple choice with everything else, so we should darn well have our choice of boot loader. -- Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4BF8C161.7020303(a)hardwarefreak.com
From: Sven Joachim on 23 May 2010 02:10 On 2010-05-23 07:47 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > No, resist forced conformity. This is Linux. We have multiple choice with > everything else, so we should darn well have our choice of boot loader. You're welcome to work on lilo so that can cope with the increasing size of kernel images and initramfs. Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87aarrcfvv.fsf(a)turtle.gmx.de
From: Teemu Likonen on 23 May 2010 02:50
* 2010-05-23 08:05 (+0200), Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2010-05-23 07:47 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> No, resist forced conformity. This is Linux. We have multiple choice >> with everything else, so we should darn well have our choice of boot >> loader. > > You're welcome to work on lilo so that can cope with the increasing > size of kernel images and initramfs. Yes, and to inform readers of debian-user here is the original message and explanation by William Pitcock: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.boot/117604 -- Feel free to Cc me your replies if you want to make sure I'll notice them. I can't read all the list mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87mxvrm8zp.fsf(a)mithlond.arda |