lilo removal in squeeze (or, "please test grub2")
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From: Cyril Brulebois on 23 May 2010 07:20 (Dropping -release, which isn't a discussion list.) William Pitcock <nenolod(a)dereferenced.org> (22/05/2010): > Given that there is no active upstream and that the Debian lilo > package carries many patches for bug fixes that are alleviated by > standardizing on grub2, this seems like the best option for Debian. Speaking of upstream and bug fixing, what about that? http://bugs.debian.org/src:grub2 > This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze > is released so that any issues can be resolved now. There should also be some folks fixing the discovered issues. Mraw, KiBi.
From: Kurt Roeckx on 23 May 2010 07:50 On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > William Pitcock <nenolod(a)dereferenced.org> (22/05/2010): > > This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze > > is released so that any issues can be resolved now. > > There should also be some folks fixing the discovered issues. grub2 currently seems to be having 18 RC bugs, plus a whole bunch of merged bugs, while lilo only has 1 RC bug. I think the difference is that lilo will probably not work for a lot of people while grub2 does work for a lot of people. And I understand that Debian's lilo maintainer basicly doesn't want to become upstream and rewrite everything when there is an alternative. But I agree that a call for extensive testing would be better if number of RC bugs would be a lot lower. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100523114251.GA3623(a)roeckx.be
From: David Baron on 23 May 2010 09:30 I second the vote to fix/keep lilo as a choice. Testing grub2 is not for the faint-at-heart because if you cannot boot, you may not be able to recover so easily using a knoppix CD or such because of newer options, LVM, etc. The kernels getting too big is a problem indeed! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201005231604.45306.d_baron(a)012.net.il
From: peasthope on 23 May 2010 13:30 William, Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:39:52 -0500 From: William Pitcock <nenolod(a)dereferenced.o..> > (4) Users need to test grub2 now. I installed it on two machines back in late January. Ref. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/02/msg00290.html (0.5) We need a Web page containing recent news on progress with grub-pc in Debian. /usr/share/doc/grub-pc/* is inaccessible unless the package is installed. debian-boot is too diverse. Installing grub-pc again, without some new indication that it will work, is out of the question. Best Regards, ... Peter E. -- Carnot is waiting for a disk replacement; Web pages may not work. Google "pathology workshop". In ETHNO click here -> Desktops.OpenDoc http://carnot.pathology.ubc.ca/. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/171056503.42821.39198.(a)heaviside.invalid
From: briand on 23 May 2010 14:50
On Sun, 23 May 2010 08:05:08 +0200 Sven Joachim <svenjoac(a)gmx.de> wrote: > On 2010-05-23 07:47 +0200, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > > No, resist forced conformity. This is Linux. We have multiple > > choice with everything else, so we should darn well have our choice > > of boot loader. > > You're welcome to work on lilo so that can cope with the increasing > size of kernel images and initramfs. > strictly speaking this is the correct answer. however, functionally this decision is a "you don't have any real, practical alternative", you have to use grub. Lack of options is always bad. Furthermore asking people to test it is not exactly a minor request. When it doesn't work you get to break out the rescue disk and go through some relatively painful work to recover. I know, because I had to do it. I for one would really appreciate it if the lilo maintainer could write just a little bit about the scope of work required to fix it (to this list). It would be a real shame if lilo goes away. Brian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100523114426.110db7c7(a)windy.deldotd.com |