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From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 14 May 2010 19:21 I know this is a Sales Pitch but this would be a great time to move to BPOS You'd just need 1 Server for Files and one for any LOB SharePoint and Exchange would be in the cloud visit www.BPOSMadeEasy.com or a search for bpos on the web Or contact me offline russgrover @ kaitka.com It's cheaper to have exchange in the cloud than on premises now days :( Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message news:OBQFtv28KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Plus I'm not at all sure I'd choose to move to EBS at this point, given > that the product has been discontinued. A simple move off of SBS to > "normal" Windows Server + Exchange could be done on fewer servers and with > less pain, and would not have one looking at a potential second migration > later. > > -- > Charlie. > http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel > > > > > "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:e8s4Qu18KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> You are correct. The three servers are installed individually, not >> simultaneously. The third server to be installed is the messaging >> server, so to migrate exchange, SBS must still be available *after* the >> installation of the third server completes. Virtualizing can, of course, >> keep the physical hardware count down, but careful considerations must be >> made when deciding to virtualize. There are trade-offs. >> >> -Cliff >> >> >> "Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning(a)doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote >> in message news:8ucqu55l5m4n1a10quo16vg5gl2jh47jdv(a)4ax.com... >>> EBS is a three server solution. I have not installed one but I >>> understand that part of the setup is seeing all three servers at the >>> same time, but I could be wrong. I do not believe you can avoid three >>> new servers. I believe part of the process is the new EBS pulls AD >>> stuff over and Exchange stuff. >>> >>> If you export all of your email, do not care about AD and workstation >>> profiles, and are not using Sharepoint then you could backup your old >>> SBS, scrap the SBS 2008 and use the old SBS as one of your 3 new >>> servers. >>> >>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=191B141E-3A1F-4C1B-BD2D-15623751E518&displaylang=en >>> >>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:44:20 +0100, "John" <info(a)nospam.infovis.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Hi >>>> >>>>Once we run out of 75 license limit of sbs 2008 premium is the migration >>>>to >>>>sbs 2008 essential an upgrade or a reinstall of the server is required? >>>> >>>>Many Thanks >>>> >>>>Regards >>>> >>> See what SBS support is working on >>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >>> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >> >
From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 14 May 2010 19:39 Sorry, BPOS will never be my first choice. Frankly, I don't want anyone else with their hands in my pocket every single month or my business is dead. My monthly nut is quite large enough, without adding to it. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message news:FF17FB09-16D8-4DC1-AE0C-EA10F3662BFE(a)microsoft.com... >I know this is a Sales Pitch > > but this would be a great time to move to BPOS > You'd just need 1 Server for Files > and one for any LOB > > SharePoint and Exchange would be in the cloud > visit www.BPOSMadeEasy.com > or a search for bpos on the web > > Or contact me offline russgrover @ kaitka.com > > It's cheaper to have exchange in the cloud than on premises now days :( > Russ > > -- > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC > Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com > > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message > news:OBQFtv28KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Plus I'm not at all sure I'd choose to move to EBS at this point, given >> that the product has been discontinued. A simple move off of SBS to >> "normal" Windows Server + Exchange could be done on fewer servers and >> with less pain, and would not have one looking at a potential second >> migration later. >> >> -- >> Charlie. >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >> >> >> >> >> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:e8s4Qu18KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> You are correct. The three servers are installed individually, not >>> simultaneously. The third server to be installed is the messaging >>> server, so to migrate exchange, SBS must still be available *after* the >>> installation of the third server completes. Virtualizing can, of >>> course, keep the physical hardware count down, but careful >>> considerations must be made when deciding to virtualize. There are >>> trade-offs. >>> >>> -Cliff >>> >>> >>> "Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning(a)doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> >>> wrote in message news:8ucqu55l5m4n1a10quo16vg5gl2jh47jdv(a)4ax.com... >>>> EBS is a three server solution. I have not installed one but I >>>> understand that part of the setup is seeing all three servers at the >>>> same time, but I could be wrong. I do not believe you can avoid three >>>> new servers. I believe part of the process is the new EBS pulls AD >>>> stuff over and Exchange stuff. >>>> >>>> If you export all of your email, do not care about AD and workstation >>>> profiles, and are not using Sharepoint then you could backup your old >>>> SBS, scrap the SBS 2008 and use the old SBS as one of your 3 new >>>> servers. >>>> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=191B141E-3A1F-4C1B-BD2D-15623751E518&displaylang=en >>>> >>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:44:20 +0100, "John" <info(a)nospam.infovis.co.uk> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi >>>>> >>>>>Once we run out of 75 license limit of sbs 2008 premium is the >>>>>migration to >>>>>sbs 2008 essential an upgrade or a reinstall of the server is required? >>>>> >>>>>Many Thanks >>>>> >>>>>Regards >>>>> >>>> See what SBS support is working on >>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >>>> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >>> >>
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 14 May 2010 19:45 BPOS is basically RPC over HTTPS so its nothing new. and Because of the cost difference there will be more an more people moving and yes you are right Exchange on site will be dead IMO soon. And there is a lot of kick from IT But Money talks Financially it's too expensive to run an exchange server.. :( I predict in 4-5 years exchange will no longer be onsite... Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message news:OdOVq678KHA.4600(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Sorry, BPOS will never be my first choice. Frankly, I don't want anyone > else with their hands in my pocket every single month or my business is > dead. My monthly nut is quite large enough, without adding to it. > > -- > Charlie. > http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel > > > > > "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message > news:FF17FB09-16D8-4DC1-AE0C-EA10F3662BFE(a)microsoft.com... >>I know this is a Sales Pitch >> >> but this would be a great time to move to BPOS >> You'd just need 1 Server for Files >> and one for any LOB >> >> SharePoint and Exchange would be in the cloud >> visit www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >> or a search for bpos on the web >> >> Or contact me offline russgrover @ kaitka.com >> >> It's cheaper to have exchange in the cloud than on premises now days :( >> Russ >> >> -- >> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >> >> >> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message >> news:OBQFtv28KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Plus I'm not at all sure I'd choose to move to EBS at this point, given >>> that the product has been discontinued. A simple move off of SBS to >>> "normal" Windows Server + Exchange could be done on fewer servers and >>> with less pain, and would not have one looking at a potential second >>> migration later. >>> >>> -- >>> Charlie. >>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:e8s4Qu18KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> You are correct. The three servers are installed individually, not >>>> simultaneously. The third server to be installed is the messaging >>>> server, so to migrate exchange, SBS must still be available *after* the >>>> installation of the third server completes. Virtualizing can, of >>>> course, keep the physical hardware count down, but careful >>>> considerations must be made when deciding to virtualize. There are >>>> trade-offs. >>>> >>>> -Cliff >>>> >>>> >>>> "Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning(a)doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> >>>> wrote in message news:8ucqu55l5m4n1a10quo16vg5gl2jh47jdv(a)4ax.com... >>>>> EBS is a three server solution. I have not installed one but I >>>>> understand that part of the setup is seeing all three servers at the >>>>> same time, but I could be wrong. I do not believe you can avoid three >>>>> new servers. I believe part of the process is the new EBS pulls AD >>>>> stuff over and Exchange stuff. >>>>> >>>>> If you export all of your email, do not care about AD and workstation >>>>> profiles, and are not using Sharepoint then you could backup your old >>>>> SBS, scrap the SBS 2008 and use the old SBS as one of your 3 new >>>>> servers. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=191B141E-3A1F-4C1B-BD2D-15623751E518&displaylang=en >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:44:20 +0100, "John" <info(a)nospam.infovis.co.uk> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi >>>>>> >>>>>>Once we run out of 75 license limit of sbs 2008 premium is the >>>>>>migration to >>>>>>sbs 2008 essential an upgrade or a reinstall of the server is >>>>>>required? >>>>>> >>>>>>Many Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>>Regards >>>>>> >>>>> See what SBS support is working on >>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >>>>> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >>>> >>> >
From: Cliff Galiher - MVP on 15 May 2010 03:45 I'll take that bet. I think there is a looming backlash against "the cloud" because of reliability and privacy concerns. -Cliff "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message news:u93fU#78KHA.1892(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > BPOS is basically RPC over HTTPS so its nothing new. > > and Because of the cost difference there will be more an more people > moving > and yes you are right Exchange on site will be dead IMO soon. > And there is a lot of kick from IT > But Money talks > Financially it's too expensive to run an exchange server.. :( > I predict in 4-5 years exchange will no longer be onsite... > Russ > > -- > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC > Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com > > > "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message > news:OdOVq678KHA.4600(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Sorry, BPOS will never be my first choice. Frankly, I don't want anyone >> else with their hands in my pocket every single month or my business is >> dead. My monthly nut is quite large enough, without adding to it. >> >> -- >> Charlie. >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >> >> >> >> >> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message >> news:FF17FB09-16D8-4DC1-AE0C-EA10F3662BFE(a)microsoft.com... >>>I know this is a Sales Pitch >>> >>> but this would be a great time to move to BPOS >>> You'd just need 1 Server for Files >>> and one for any LOB >>> >>> SharePoint and Exchange would be in the cloud >>> visit www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >>> or a search for bpos on the web >>> >>> Or contact me offline russgrover @ kaitka.com >>> >>> It's cheaper to have exchange in the cloud than on premises now days :( >>> Russ >>> >>> -- >>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >>> >>> >>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>> message news:OBQFtv28KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> Plus I'm not at all sure I'd choose to move to EBS at this point, given >>>> that the product has been discontinued. A simple move off of SBS to >>>> "normal" Windows Server + Exchange could be done on fewer servers and >>>> with less pain, and would not have one looking at a potential second >>>> migration later. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Charlie. >>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:e8s4Qu18KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> You are correct. The three servers are installed individually, not >>>>> simultaneously. The third server to be installed is the messaging >>>>> server, so to migrate exchange, SBS must still be available *after* >>>>> the installation of the third server completes. Virtualizing can, of >>>>> course, keep the physical hardware count down, but careful >>>>> considerations must be made when deciding to virtualize. There are >>>>> trade-offs. >>>>> >>>>> -Cliff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning(a)doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> >>>>> wrote in message news:8ucqu55l5m4n1a10quo16vg5gl2jh47jdv(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> EBS is a three server solution. I have not installed one but I >>>>>> understand that part of the setup is seeing all three servers at the >>>>>> same time, but I could be wrong. I do not believe you can avoid three >>>>>> new servers. I believe part of the process is the new EBS pulls AD >>>>>> stuff over and Exchange stuff. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you export all of your email, do not care about AD and workstation >>>>>> profiles, and are not using Sharepoint then you could backup your old >>>>>> SBS, scrap the SBS 2008 and use the old SBS as one of your 3 new >>>>>> servers. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=191B141E-3A1F-4C1B-BD2D-15623751E518&displaylang=en >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:44:20 +0100, "John" >>>>>> <info(a)nospam.infovis.co.uk> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Once we run out of 75 license limit of sbs 2008 premium is the >>>>>>>migration to >>>>>>>sbs 2008 essential an upgrade or a reinstall of the server is >>>>>>>required? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Many Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>> See what SBS support is working on >>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >>>>>> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >>>>> >>>> >>
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 15 May 2010 04:46
Well Microsoft is betting 1.5Billion on it... :) -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:093CAB9B-407E-4D45-A515-F3D068826A0C(a)microsoft.com... > I'll take that bet. I think there is a looming backlash against "the > cloud" because of reliability and privacy concerns. > > -Cliff > > > "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message > news:u93fU#78KHA.1892(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> BPOS is basically RPC over HTTPS so its nothing new. >> >> and Because of the cost difference there will be more an more people >> moving >> and yes you are right Exchange on site will be dead IMO soon. >> And there is a lot of kick from IT >> But Money talks >> Financially it's too expensive to run an exchange server.. :( >> I predict in 4-5 years exchange will no longer be onsite... >> Russ >> >> -- >> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >> >> >> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message >> news:OdOVq678KHA.4600(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Sorry, BPOS will never be my first choice. Frankly, I don't want anyone >>> else with their hands in my pocket every single month or my business is >>> dead. My monthly nut is quite large enough, without adding to it. >>> >>> -- >>> Charlie. >>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message >>> news:FF17FB09-16D8-4DC1-AE0C-EA10F3662BFE(a)microsoft.com... >>>>I know this is a Sales Pitch >>>> >>>> but this would be a great time to move to BPOS >>>> You'd just need 1 Server for Files >>>> and one for any LOB >>>> >>>> SharePoint and Exchange would be in the cloud >>>> visit www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >>>> or a search for bpos on the web >>>> >>>> Or contact me offline russgrover @ kaitka.com >>>> >>>> It's cheaper to have exchange in the cloud than on premises now days :( >>>> Russ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >>>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >>>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >>>> >>>> >>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>> message news:OBQFtv28KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>> Plus I'm not at all sure I'd choose to move to EBS at this point, >>>>> given that the product has been discontinued. A simple move off of SBS >>>>> to "normal" Windows Server + Exchange could be done on fewer servers >>>>> and with less pain, and would not have one looking at a potential >>>>> second migration later. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Charlie. >>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:e8s4Qu18KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>> You are correct. The three servers are installed individually, not >>>>>> simultaneously. The third server to be installed is the messaging >>>>>> server, so to migrate exchange, SBS must still be available *after* >>>>>> the installation of the third server completes. Virtualizing can, of >>>>>> course, keep the physical hardware count down, but careful >>>>>> considerations must be made when deciding to virtualize. There are >>>>>> trade-offs. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Cliff >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning(a)doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> >>>>>> wrote in message news:8ucqu55l5m4n1a10quo16vg5gl2jh47jdv(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> EBS is a three server solution. I have not installed one but I >>>>>>> understand that part of the setup is seeing all three servers at the >>>>>>> same time, but I could be wrong. I do not believe you can avoid >>>>>>> three >>>>>>> new servers. I believe part of the process is the new EBS pulls AD >>>>>>> stuff over and Exchange stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you export all of your email, do not care about AD and >>>>>>> workstation >>>>>>> profiles, and are not using Sharepoint then you could backup your >>>>>>> old >>>>>>> SBS, scrap the SBS 2008 and use the old SBS as one of your 3 new >>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=191B141E-3A1F-4C1B-BD2D-15623751E518&displaylang=en >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:44:20 +0100, "John" >>>>>>> <info(a)nospam.infovis.co.uk> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Once we run out of 75 license limit of sbs 2008 premium is the >>>>>>>>migration to >>>>>>>>sbs 2008 essential an upgrade or a reinstall of the server is >>>>>>>>required? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Many Thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> See what SBS support is working on >>>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >>>>>>> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >>>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >>>>>> >>>>> >>> |