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From: Leythos on 16 May 2010 10:55 In article <ulZ3FSQ9KHA.4768(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org says... > > Not quite. Cached mode would let me work. But a backup MX record will not > solve my being able to get new mail during that 3 day outage. What made the > difference was the OWA access to an archive of my new mail. Though I agree > that some domain providers enable some equivalent. IAC, it hasn't changed my > decision about BPOS one bit. Not interested. Sorry, I should have been more specific. With a backup MX that points to the email service included with most domain names, which everyone should purchase if not already free with their domain name plan, you would have access to everything. We had a customer with a failure like you describe, server dead, no parts available (read that as very old), it took me 2 hours to get them online and checking email from the start of the event, total. Dell shipped a new SBS 2008 server overnight and we were back online by the end of the next business day I notice that BPOS support is ONLY available M-F 6AM to 6PM Pacific time - that's not going to sit well with businesses. I noticed that there is no place where the state that they will not monitor, check, read, use, mine, etc... any data that passes through BPOS solutions. This won't sit well with anything that requires an audit of access, DOD, secure installations, accountin firms that like to hide their emails from everyone.... There are too many holes left open (meaning security/data questions) to even consider using this. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 16 May 2010 12:46 Leythos You should really check facts before you post. That is the email Support Phone support for BPOS is 24x7 1-866-441-8425 Worried about Archiving. EHS will cover email logging Archive. Q: How can Microsoft be sure that my data is secure? A: Businesses must use a combination of technology and processes to help protect their messaging and collaboration environment from internal and external security threats. These threats use an array of attack vectors that require the establishment of multiple layers of protection. The threats are also constantly evolving in an effort to expose weaknesses in old defenses, thus requiring the use of multiple technologies. Together, the use of multiple layers of security controls and multiple technologies form Microsoft's defense-in-depth strategy. To simplify security management and to enhance performance, Microsoft also recommends that the solution is integrated into the business infrastructure. Microsoft looks at security along three dimensions: security of data (virus/spam filtering in the cloud), secure data access (HTTPS- 128-bit encryption) and secure datacenters. Q: Are the Business Productivity Online Standard Suite services Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX) compliant? A: The Dedicated version of the Business Productivity Online Standard Suite supports your SOX compliance objectives by underpinning its services with a comprehensive set of controls that align with your SOX requirements. The design and operational effectiveness of these controls are internally assessed by our staff and external auditors on an on-going basis as well as subject to an independent SAS 70 Type II audit conducted each year. The Standard version of the Business Productivity Online Standard Suite will be seeking a SAS 70 Type II audit attesting to the effectiveness of Microsoft's internal controls. While our U.S. datacenters maintain a SAS 70 Type II for the physical controls of each facility, the Services (Live Meeting, EHS, Exchange Online, SharePoint Online and Office Communications Online) themselves do not. Live Meeting maintains both the CyberTrust Service Provider Certification and the CyberTrust Application Certification, which surpasses the control requirements for SOX. The Business Productivity Online Standard Suite Standard implementation is scheduled to undergo the CyberTrust certification within the next couple of months. Q: What about data privacy and the EU Safe Harbor framework? A: All Microsoft Online Services allow customers in almost all cases to meet privacy compliance, depending on jurisdiction and industry requirements. Each of these Services has been built to adhere to Microsoft's internal privacy standards, as described in its published document, "Microsoft's Privacy Guidelines for Developing Software Products and Services." This set of standards helps ensure that privacy and data protections are systematically incorporated into the development and deployment of almost all Microsoft products and services. For more information about privacy at Microsoft, visit Microsoft's Trustworthy Computing Privacy Web site. Additionally, each of these Services has a privacy statement that describes in detail how your data will be treated. Microsoft abides by the Safe Harbor framework as set forth by the U.S. Department of Commerce regarding the collection, use, and retention of data from the European Union. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=C48CF80F-6E87-48F5-83EC-A18D1AD2FC1F&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/twc/privacy/default.mspx Please tell me where you are reading where BPOS Security is flawed and holes. And please give facts not opinions. I doubt if the Multi Billion Dollar Coca Cola would go with BPOS if it was not secure... Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2659d16771c05d0098a374(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <ulZ3FSQ9KHA.4768(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, > Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org says... >> >> Not quite. Cached mode would let me work. But a backup MX record will not >> solve my being able to get new mail during that 3 day outage. What made >> the >> difference was the OWA access to an archive of my new mail. Though I >> agree >> that some domain providers enable some equivalent. IAC, it hasn't changed >> my >> decision about BPOS one bit. Not interested. > > Sorry, I should have been more specific. > > With a backup MX that points to the email service included with most > domain names, which everyone should purchase if not already free with > their domain name plan, you would have access to everything. > > We had a customer with a failure like you describe, server dead, no > parts available (read that as very old), it took me 2 hours to get them > online and checking email from the start of the event, total. Dell > shipped a new SBS 2008 server overnight and we were back online by the > end of the next business day > > I notice that BPOS support is ONLY available M-F 6AM to 6PM Pacific time > - that's not going to sit well with businesses. > > I noticed that there is no place where the state that they will not > monitor, check, read, use, mine, etc... any data that passes through > BPOS solutions. This won't sit well with anything that requires an audit > of access, DOD, secure installations, accountin firms that like to hide > their emails from everyone.... > > There are too many holes left open (meaning security/data questions) to > even consider using this. > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 16 May 2010 12:53 I posted security answer in another thread please post where a security company has said that BPOS is not secure Where is the holes you see? Or please post where you are getting your information? Making up stuff like you are, I won't respond to.. Please pretend I'm a client and show me some facts on where Security is flawed. Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2659ae2f1b87dbf898a372(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <74DDA9D8-E505-48CA-8168-2783723864BE(a)microsoft.com>, > russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... >> >> What articles are you reading that says BPOS is not secure? >> Please share the facts so others may learn. >> Thanks >> Russ > > Please show where data stored at another location, one that you don't > control, is always secure - get the point? > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 16 May 2010 13:23 If you give me the phone numbers of the people using the tape backup I will be more than happy to tell them how much money they can save. (I love to tell people how to save money. ) Microsoft doesn't even support tape in SBS2008 To me that even tells you tape is dead, because Microsoft is the last to support change (Look how long It took them to drop floppy drive requirements?) And your cost thing was proven back in 2006 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/ou/are-tape-backup-systems-obsolete/267 If you still say cheaper? If you can give me some stats that it is lower than $109.25 for 2TB Fragile? (HOW) If HD is not good enough for Data, Is your PC have TAPE drives for its primary storage? NO because HD is more reliable and faster. Sorry, You can rant what you'd like the industry has moved on.... Numbers don't lie... I know you make a lot of money supporting old technologies So I understand why you feel threatened.... It's ok.... :) Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz Question or Second Opinion - www.PersonalITConsultant.com BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.26590beb3ed744b498a36f(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <C906BD05-199C-44C1-B2CB-C0E87299A2A6(a)microsoft.com>, > russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... >> >> Just like people didn't believe HD Backups would replace TAPES >> and they all said BS, BS, BS, Tape will never die! > > I don't know any of those peole. HD backup is still fragile, but, due to > the fact that tape cost and speed as not kept up with the drives and > users masses of data, it's not economical. > > You might want to let people using Seagate Backup with tape drives know > about tape being dead - many places that fall under Sarbanes Oxly are > still mandated to keep many full backups, and disks are not economical > for that amount of backup media in storage. > > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 16 May 2010 17:16
Well with 1.5Billion going to be invested by Microsoft and Billions from others in the same game... If it is a roulette table, we will all lose.... Just look at where Microsoft Server technology is going? Software Technology? All pointing to the cloud.... It's a Direction, not a side road..... Software will be 'on-demand' Servers will be cloud, with pay for what you need... Microsoft will be a utility company.... just like your TV phone and internet. (Just my opinion.) Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:95E7DEBF-17E2-4BE7-A0C9-1B24CC4BC793(a)microsoft.com... > True, but MS doesn't play "war" (top card wins.) They play roulette and > spread their bets. Good examples: > > XBox. They bet on HD-DVD over blu-ray (and lost) but also bet on > streaming video with their own marketplace (successful) and the first (and > still the only disc-less as far as I know) streaming netflix console. > > Office 2010: Online *and* client-based. > > VoIP: ResponsePoint *and* Office Communications Server. Not related > technologies. > > Cloud storage: Skydrive *and* Mesh. So far, still two separate entities. > > Email: BPOS *and* Exchange (they did ship 2010, and didn't go strictly > cloud.) > > ================ > > So by my observations, yes MS is betting heavily on the cloud. BUT > pundits are adding an inaccurate and unspoken "only" in that sentence. > They are implying that "MS is betting on *only* the cloud" and that there > is some future where stand-alone boxes (whether it be PC, a dedicated > video or gaming device, or mobile device) ceases to matter. And I argue > exactly the opposite. The cloud is complementary to stand-alone devices. > I think Exchange has a long future ahead yet. > > -Cliff > > > "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message > news:41B9A93F-5CFC-4489-805D-1356EF3148BA(a)microsoft.com... >> Well Microsoft is betting 1.5Billion on it... :) >> >> -- >> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >> >> >> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:093CAB9B-407E-4D45-A515-F3D068826A0C(a)microsoft.com... >>> I'll take that bet. I think there is a looming backlash against "the >>> cloud" because of reliability and privacy concerns. >>> >>> -Cliff >>> >>> >>> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message >>> news:u93fU#78KHA.1892(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> BPOS is basically RPC over HTTPS so its nothing new. >>>> >>>> and Because of the cost difference there will be more an more people >>>> moving >>>> and yes you are right Exchange on site will be dead IMO soon. >>>> And there is a lot of kick from IT >>>> But Money talks >>>> Financially it's too expensive to run an exchange server.. :( >>>> I predict in 4-5 years exchange will no longer be onsite... >>>> Russ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >>>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >>>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >>>> >>>> >>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>> message news:OdOVq678KHA.4600(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> Sorry, BPOS will never be my first choice. Frankly, I don't want >>>>> anyone else with their hands in my pocket every single month or my >>>>> business is dead. My monthly nut is quite large enough, without adding >>>>> to it. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Charlie. >>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in >>>>> message news:FF17FB09-16D8-4DC1-AE0C-EA10F3662BFE(a)microsoft.com... >>>>>>I know this is a Sales Pitch >>>>>> >>>>>> but this would be a great time to move to BPOS >>>>>> You'd just need 1 Server for Files >>>>>> and one for any LOB >>>>>> >>>>>> SharePoint and Exchange would be in the cloud >>>>>> visit www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >>>>>> or a search for bpos on the web >>>>>> >>>>>> Or contact me offline russgrover @ kaitka.com >>>>>> >>>>>> It's cheaper to have exchange in the cloud than on premises now days >>>>>> :( >>>>>> Russ >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >>>>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >>>>>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >>>>>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>>>> message news:OBQFtv28KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> Plus I'm not at all sure I'd choose to move to EBS at this point, >>>>>>> given that the product has been discontinued. A simple move off of >>>>>>> SBS to "normal" Windows Server + Exchange could be done on fewer >>>>>>> servers and with less pain, and would not have one looking at a >>>>>>> potential second migration later. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:e8s4Qu18KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> You are correct. The three servers are installed individually, not >>>>>>>> simultaneously. The third server to be installed is the messaging >>>>>>>> server, so to migrate exchange, SBS must still be available *after* >>>>>>>> the installation of the third server completes. Virtualizing can, >>>>>>>> of course, keep the physical hardware count down, but careful >>>>>>>> considerations must be made when deciding to virtualize. There >>>>>>>> are trade-offs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Cliff >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning(a)doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> >>>>>>>> wrote in message news:8ucqu55l5m4n1a10quo16vg5gl2jh47jdv(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>>>> EBS is a three server solution. I have not installed one but I >>>>>>>>> understand that part of the setup is seeing all three servers at >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> same time, but I could be wrong. I do not believe you can avoid >>>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>>> new servers. I believe part of the process is the new EBS pulls AD >>>>>>>>> stuff over and Exchange stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you export all of your email, do not care about AD and >>>>>>>>> workstation >>>>>>>>> profiles, and are not using Sharepoint then you could backup your >>>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>> SBS, scrap the SBS 2008 and use the old SBS as one of your 3 new >>>>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=191B141E-3A1F-4C1B-BD2D-15623751E518&displaylang=en >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:44:20 +0100, "John" >>>>>>>>> <info(a)nospam.infovis.co.uk> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Hi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Once we run out of 75 license limit of sbs 2008 premium is the >>>>>>>>>>migration to >>>>>>>>>>sbs 2008 essential an upgrade or a reinstall of the server is >>>>>>>>>>required? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Many Thanks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> See what SBS support is working on >>>>>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >>>>>>>>> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >>>>>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> |