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From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 15 May 2010 21:35 You, act like I'm trying to convince you? Sorry, I'm not just giving my opinion... I'm currently working with someone to build a company to support and migrate people to BPOS. I've changed my Job Functions many times in Computers. I used to do websites and as you know there's no money in that anymore. Times change and we all must make decisions on where to go... This time I'm not betting against the house, I'm betting with the House. I may be wrong, but I see IT budgets dropping in the USA big time next year.... And Skilled Labor is the easiest place to cut. BPOS Requires no Skilled labor to support... :( Just My Opinion... Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.265907ab5dc68bd298a36e(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <64A2472A-CC40-4F0A-B8D5-796351A11BD3(a)microsoft.com>, > russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... >> I'm not going to argue I'm just betting on the House.... :) >> > > And if customers don't buy into their card came, because we give them > all the details, the costs, the actual issues of not having their data, > then MS may just have to fold that game or find people using other > solutions. > > When they decide to stop selling SBS and other solutions that allow > businesses to keep their data locally, well, that's when I'll start > pushing other solutions (read that as Non-MS). > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 15 May 2010 21:38 Not for long... Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.26590beb3ed744b498a36f(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <C906BD05-199C-44C1-B2CB-C0E87299A2A6(a)microsoft.com>, > russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... >> >> Just like people didn't believe HD Backups would replace TAPES >> and they all said BS, BS, BS, Tape will never die! > > I don't know any of those peole. HD backup is still fragile, but, due to > the fact that tape cost and speed as not kept up with the drives and > users masses of data, it's not economical. > > You might want to let people using Seagate Backup with tape drives know > about tape being dead - many places that fall under Sarbanes Oxly are > still mandated to keep many full backups, and disks are not economical > for that amount of backup media in storage. > > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Leythos on 15 May 2010 22:16 In article <538A3503-2E5C-40B3-B4E5-AA5E5B235201(a)microsoft.com>, russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... > And Skilled Labor is the easiest place to cut. > BPOS Requires no Skilled labor to support... > And I see that it does require skilled labor to support because of the issues involved with off-site resources and the security issues as well as local services issues. So, until they can embed the entire set of compay files into each person implanted chip, people will need some form of local storage with security and authentication - when you get to that level the costs associated with BPOS make it more viable to keep everything on the company network. In almost every case, for a long time (years) I have supported clients that I've never even met, never seen their facility, just built it and shipped it to them with documentation that a secretary could use to connect the systems/cables/network parts - heck, we've even done side- by-side SBS upgrades without being on site at the customers location. I'm sure that some people will make money building BPOS solutions for customers that really don't have a clue, don't care about their data, don't care about the security of their communications, but, just like people see with google, fewer and fewer will trust it once the data mining is exposed as well as the first compromise. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 15 May 2010 23:55 What articles are you reading that says BPOS is not secure? Please share the facts so others may learn. Thanks Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.26591f7e83ce7bf298a370(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <538A3503-2E5C-40B3-B4E5-AA5E5B235201(a)microsoft.com>, > russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... >> And Skilled Labor is the easiest place to cut. >> BPOS Requires no Skilled labor to support... >> > > And I see that it does require skilled labor to support because of the > issues involved with off-site resources and the security issues as well > as local services issues. So, until they can embed the entire set of > compay files into each person implanted chip, people will need some form > of local storage with security and authentication - when you get to that > level the costs associated with BPOS make it more viable to keep > everything on the company network. > > In almost every case, for a long time (years) I have supported clients > that I've never even met, never seen their facility, just built it and > shipped it to them with documentation that a secretary could use to > connect the systems/cables/network parts - heck, we've even done side- > by-side SBS upgrades without being on site at the customers location. > > I'm sure that some people will make money building BPOS solutions for > customers that really don't have a clue, don't care about their data, > don't care about the security of their communications, but, just like > people see with google, fewer and fewer will trust it once the data > mining is exposed as well as the first compromise. > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 16 May 2010 01:29
The backup for me was brought home in spades while I was at Summit. We had a power outage at home, and it fried right through the UPS to blow out two hard disks on the RAID5 array when the power came back on. SBS and everything else was down. I was 5 hours away, in the middle of meetings and my co-author is simply NOT the hardware person. But because of ExchangeDefender's live archive feature, I was able to continue on and both of us could get email, answer it, etc., until I got back home three days later and could restore my backups to the "spare" hyper-v server and let the mail come flowing in. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2658a724a3ca81ca98a36a(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <#ytTeGF9KHA.3176(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, > Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org says... >> The one place I see a plus with the cloud and e-mail is FOPE (ForeFront >> Online Protection for Exchange) or equivalent services such as >> ExchangeDefender. Here you're keeping the vast majority of the c-r-a-p >> off >> my server and off my bandwidth, while not inhibiting my ability to get >> if I suddenly can't use your service. (All it takes is a 10 second logon >> to >> ZoneEdit to change the MX record.) And, at least with ExchangeDefender, >> you're providing a valuable backup service in case my server is down (or >> unreachable) for somereason. >> > > I'm still not sure the cost savings or backup is worth it. > > As an example, I install firewalls for all businesses, no exceptions. > Those firewall have inexpensive Anti-Spam and Anti-Virus services for > SMTP/POP3, so the protection is there and take care of before reaching > the server. Since you still have to have AV software on your laptop or > server for files, that won't change anything. > > As for the backup - well, if you're using Exchange in cached mode you > already have a backup that you can export. As for backup email service, > assuming you already own a domain, most come with cheap email service in > the domain name, and it should already be a Priority 20 MX record with > your own server being a Priority 0 or 10 MX record - you should also > have Exchange set to pull email from the backup mail location. There are > also other methods that are very cheap. > > No, there is a cost that people have not talked about. I have a dozen > servers here, running 24/7, have a couple generators, UPS's, etc... > > One of my real costs is the Electricity to run the UPS, Switch, Firewall > and Server for a small shop, it amounts to about $37/mo at our local > rates, that doesn't include the additional electric cost for the AC BTU > load. There is also the additional cost of Business Insurance, also > costing about $20/mo per customers server solution. > > I looked at a solution from GoDaddy for Hosted Exchange, about > $60/month, and they still needed a file server in their office, still > needed a UPS, still needed remote access to computers.... It's just not > economical in the long run to use external solutions when you have a > reasonable power/internet solution available. > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) |