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From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 16 May 2010 02:13 Charlie, using your utility statement. I was just on the phone with a friend And we were talking about the cloud> He said: "Essentially Microsoft looks like it wants to become a utility company...." I said, yup you know what? You are right, they are: Especially with the On demand office Apps that is coming out You will have a Subscription to Office Apps and you will only pay for what you need... It will be a monthly Bill we pay to Microsoft just like our cell phone.... People may not like it, but that seems to be the direction. Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message news:ODSmFjL9KHA.3840(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > The backup for me was brought home in spades while I was at Summit. We had > a power outage at home, and it fried right through the UPS to blow out two > hard disks on the RAID5 array when the power came back on. SBS and > everything else was down. I was 5 hours away, in the middle of meetings > and my co-author is simply NOT the hardware person. But because of > ExchangeDefender's live archive feature, I was able to continue on and > both of us could get email, answer it, etc., until I got back home three > days later and could restore my backups to the "spare" hyper-v server and > let the mail come flowing in. > > -- > Charlie. > http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel > > > > > "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message > news:MPG.2658a724a3ca81ca98a36a(a)us.news.astraweb.com... >> In article <#ytTeGF9KHA.3176(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, >> Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org says... >>> The one place I see a plus with the cloud and e-mail is FOPE (ForeFront >>> Online Protection for Exchange) or equivalent services such as >>> ExchangeDefender. Here you're keeping the vast majority of the c-r-a-p >>> off >>> my server and off my bandwidth, while not inhibiting my ability to get >>> if I suddenly can't use your service. (All it takes is a 10 second logon >>> to >>> ZoneEdit to change the MX record.) And, at least with ExchangeDefender, >>> you're providing a valuable backup service in case my server is down (or >>> unreachable) for somereason. >>> >> >> I'm still not sure the cost savings or backup is worth it. >> >> As an example, I install firewalls for all businesses, no exceptions. >> Those firewall have inexpensive Anti-Spam and Anti-Virus services for >> SMTP/POP3, so the protection is there and take care of before reaching >> the server. Since you still have to have AV software on your laptop or >> server for files, that won't change anything. >> >> As for the backup - well, if you're using Exchange in cached mode you >> already have a backup that you can export. As for backup email service, >> assuming you already own a domain, most come with cheap email service in >> the domain name, and it should already be a Priority 20 MX record with >> your own server being a Priority 0 or 10 MX record - you should also >> have Exchange set to pull email from the backup mail location. There are >> also other methods that are very cheap. >> >> No, there is a cost that people have not talked about. I have a dozen >> servers here, running 24/7, have a couple generators, UPS's, etc... >> >> One of my real costs is the Electricity to run the UPS, Switch, Firewall >> and Server for a small shop, it amounts to about $37/mo at our local >> rates, that doesn't include the additional electric cost for the AC BTU >> load. There is also the additional cost of Business Insurance, also >> costing about $20/mo per customers server solution. >> >> I looked at a solution from GoDaddy for Hosted Exchange, about >> $60/month, and they still needed a file server in their office, still >> needed a UPS, still needed remote access to computers.... It's just not >> economical in the long run to use external solutions when you have a >> reasonable power/internet solution available. >> >> -- >> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little >> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. >> Trust yourself. >> spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) >
From: Leythos on 16 May 2010 08:25 In article <74DDA9D8-E505-48CA-8168-2783723864BE(a)microsoft.com>, russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... > > What articles are you reading that says BPOS is not secure? > Please share the facts so others may learn. > Thanks > Russ Please show where data stored at another location, one that you don't control, is always secure - get the point? -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Leythos on 16 May 2010 08:27 In article <ODSmFjL9KHA.3840(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org says... > The backup for me was brought home in spades while I was at Summit. We had a > power outage at home, and it fried right through the UPS to blow out two > hard disks on the RAID5 array when the power came back on. SBS and > everything else was down. I was 5 hours away, in the middle of meetings and > my co-author is simply NOT the hardware person. But because of > ExchangeDefender's live archive feature, I was able to continue on and both > of us could get email, answer it, etc., until I got back home three days > later and could restore my backups to the "spare" hyper-v server and let the > mail come flowing in. > And the same thing would have been possible by using cached mode in Outlook as well as having a simple backup MX pointing to the mail services at your domain provider. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Cliff Galiher - MVP on 16 May 2010 10:23 True, but MS doesn't play "war" (top card wins.) They play roulette and spread their bets. Good examples: XBox. They bet on HD-DVD over blu-ray (and lost) but also bet on streaming video with their own marketplace (successful) and the first (and still the only disc-less as far as I know) streaming netflix console. Office 2010: Online *and* client-based. VoIP: ResponsePoint *and* Office Communications Server. Not related technologies. Cloud storage: Skydrive *and* Mesh. So far, still two separate entities. Email: BPOS *and* Exchange (they did ship 2010, and didn't go strictly cloud.) ================ So by my observations, yes MS is betting heavily on the cloud. BUT pundits are adding an inaccurate and unspoken "only" in that sentence. They are implying that "MS is betting on *only* the cloud" and that there is some future where stand-alone boxes (whether it be PC, a dedicated video or gaming device, or mobile device) ceases to matter. And I argue exactly the opposite. The cloud is complementary to stand-alone devices. I think Exchange has a long future ahead yet. -Cliff "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message news:41B9A93F-5CFC-4489-805D-1356EF3148BA(a)microsoft.com... > Well Microsoft is betting 1.5Billion on it... :) > > -- > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC > Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com > > > "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:093CAB9B-407E-4D45-A515-F3D068826A0C(a)microsoft.com... >> I'll take that bet. I think there is a looming backlash against "the >> cloud" because of reliability and privacy concerns. >> >> -Cliff >> >> >> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message >> news:u93fU#78KHA.1892(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> BPOS is basically RPC over HTTPS so its nothing new. >>> >>> and Because of the cost difference there will be more an more people >>> moving >>> and yes you are right Exchange on site will be dead IMO soon. >>> And there is a lot of kick from IT >>> But Money talks >>> Financially it's too expensive to run an exchange server.. :( >>> I predict in 4-5 years exchange will no longer be onsite... >>> Russ >>> >>> -- >>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >>> >>> >>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>> message news:OdOVq678KHA.4600(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> Sorry, BPOS will never be my first choice. Frankly, I don't want anyone >>>> else with their hands in my pocket every single month or my business is >>>> dead. My monthly nut is quite large enough, without adding to it. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Charlie. >>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message >>>> news:FF17FB09-16D8-4DC1-AE0C-EA10F3662BFE(a)microsoft.com... >>>>>I know this is a Sales Pitch >>>>> >>>>> but this would be a great time to move to BPOS >>>>> You'd just need 1 Server for Files >>>>> and one for any LOB >>>>> >>>>> SharePoint and Exchange would be in the cloud >>>>> visit www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >>>>> or a search for bpos on the web >>>>> >>>>> Or contact me offline russgrover @ kaitka.com >>>>> >>>>> It's cheaper to have exchange in the cloud than on premises now days >>>>> :( >>>>> Russ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >>>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >>>>> Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >>>>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in >>>>> message news:OBQFtv28KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Plus I'm not at all sure I'd choose to move to EBS at this point, >>>>>> given that the product has been discontinued. A simple move off of >>>>>> SBS to "normal" Windows Server + Exchange could be done on fewer >>>>>> servers and with less pain, and would not have one looking at a >>>>>> potential second migration later. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Charlie. >>>>>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgaliher(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:e8s4Qu18KHA.2248(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> You are correct. The three servers are installed individually, not >>>>>>> simultaneously. The third server to be installed is the messaging >>>>>>> server, so to migrate exchange, SBS must still be available *after* >>>>>>> the installation of the third server completes. Virtualizing can, >>>>>>> of course, keep the physical hardware count down, but careful >>>>>>> considerations must be made when deciding to virtualize. There are >>>>>>> trade-offs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Cliff >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Jim Behning SBS MVP" <jimbehning(a)doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> >>>>>>> wrote in message news:8ucqu55l5m4n1a10quo16vg5gl2jh47jdv(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>>> EBS is a three server solution. I have not installed one but I >>>>>>>> understand that part of the setup is seeing all three servers at >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> same time, but I could be wrong. I do not believe you can avoid >>>>>>>> three >>>>>>>> new servers. I believe part of the process is the new EBS pulls AD >>>>>>>> stuff over and Exchange stuff. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you export all of your email, do not care about AD and >>>>>>>> workstation >>>>>>>> profiles, and are not using Sharepoint then you could backup your >>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>> SBS, scrap the SBS 2008 and use the old SBS as one of your 3 new >>>>>>>> servers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/downloadS/details.aspx?familyid=191B141E-3A1F-4C1B-BD2D-15623751E518&displaylang=en >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 14 May 2010 11:44:20 +0100, "John" >>>>>>>> <info(a)nospam.infovis.co.uk> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Hi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Once we run out of 75 license limit of sbs 2008 premium is the >>>>>>>>>migration to >>>>>>>>>sbs 2008 essential an upgrade or a reinstall of the server is >>>>>>>>>required? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Many Thanks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> See what SBS support is working on >>>>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >>>>>>>> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >>>>>>>> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>
From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 16 May 2010 10:26
Not quite. Cached mode would let me work. But a backup MX record will not solve my being able to get new mail during that 3 day outage. What made the difference was the OWA access to an archive of my new mail. Though I agree that some domain providers enable some equivalent. IAC, it hasn't changed my decision about BPOS one bit. Not interested. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.2659aed28d95522798a373(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <ODSmFjL9KHA.3840(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, > Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org says... >> The backup for me was brought home in spades while I was at Summit. We >> had a >> power outage at home, and it fried right through the UPS to blow out two >> hard disks on the RAID5 array when the power came back on. SBS and >> everything else was down. I was 5 hours away, in the middle of meetings >> and >> my co-author is simply NOT the hardware person. But because of >> ExchangeDefender's live archive feature, I was able to continue on and >> both >> of us could get email, answer it, etc., until I got back home three days >> later and could restore my backups to the "spare" hyper-v server and let >> the >> mail come flowing in. >> > > And the same thing would have been possible by using cached mode in > Outlook as well as having a simple backup MX pointing to the mail > services at your domain provider. > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) |