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From: Leythos on 16 May 2010 21:01 In article <OiRZMdR9KHA.3880(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... > Please tell me where you are reading where BPOS Security is flawed and > holes. > Fact, you have to rely on Microsoft claims to be secure. Fact, you don't control the data. Fact, MS can change the rules at any time. Fact, every example that we've seen of this type of thing has been hacked before, data mining by the provider, etc... -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Leythos on 16 May 2010 21:04 In article <57CED68E-505D-4270-9E59-BDB03E2AB5DC(a)microsoft.com>, russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... > My friend Mark, (No not the Mark on this forum) > had been doing desktop support for a local hospital just got laid off > And he had been working there 13 years. > They went to a cloud and standard desktops and laid off 1/2 of their > techs... > And if they had adopted basic standards and rules to limit malicious exposure they would have done the same and still retained total control of their data. 450 people in one medical center, designed to be secure from the start, 1 full time I.T. person, on-demand support as needed. In most cases the FT person is doing about 3 hours work a week. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Leythos on 16 May 2010 21:18 In article <OeNZe8U9KHA.1892(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, cgaliher(a)gmail.com says... > Similarly, if you are an end-user of MS products, presumably the reason > you'd switch to a new technology is because it offers more value for your > dollar. That I also a win for the consumer as they get a better solution > than they had before. > I think this is where the problem lies - take Office 2007, there is no "better solution" over Office 2003, completely different menu's, retraining for end users, etc... the only good thing they did was develop a compatibility tool so that office 2003 users were not screwed out of their investment. With each new OS/Suite that MS puts out the security doesn't get better and the performance drops. It would be nice to see them drastically improve either or both. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] on 16 May 2010 23:04 Office 2007 was redesigned to hook into SharePoint. This is where the effort went into Office 2007... This again is a roadmap plan, where the average small biz users probably didn't see anything. (Because SharePoint 2.0 didn't hook into it.) The change in Office 2007 made Outlook 2007 Integrated into SharePoint and made SharePoint the 1 stop Shop for Documents etc. Another great thing IMO is that actually retried connecting to the Exchange server upon failure. (Which most people thought this was the only bonus besides Icon changes.) Those that use SharePoint 3> and Outlook 2007 regularly know how seamless it is... I know these are not Stellar to the user who only uses Outlook for Email. But this to me is a clear indication of where things are headed. Right now with Outlook 2007/2010 You can do all your document management from 1 Application. You don't need to Visit SharePoint, it is just a web connector if you don't have Outlook. Outlook is the predominate connector for Contacts Collaboration Project management Task Management Image Management Document Control / Management And 2007/2010 All have links into SharePoint (Thus completes the loop) Meaning you don't need to even visit SharePoint site to make use of it. (Which is good IMO because most people like me hate a web interface.) If you don't want to use Outlook or SharePoint for Document Management You can always open a file folder view of documents (Just like everyone is used to.) And the data is still on the SharePoint Site. There are tools for those that don't want all their documents in the cloud that can sync between the cloud/server (I have a Program that constantly checks my BPOS files and updates them on my local server) So no not only do you have a cloud backup, but I have a local backup live database.... * For the paranoid.. When Microsoft perfects the Download of Office (on Demand Apps) The First step will be partial abilities but the goal is 100% ability. Sometime next year. The full picture of the cloud will come in view... I saw a demo of the Microsoft on demand apps last week. (VERY cool) This will also be much better for licensing, no more questioning what you have. Things like this will also stop Piracy, which Microsoft has been Fighting since the beginning of time. Do you see a pattern evolving here? The Road is being Built slowly, but still being built... Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.Microsoft-Online-Services.com "Leythos" <spam999free(a)rrohio.com> wrote in message news:MPG.265a63826fbee08598a379(a)us.news.astraweb.com... > In article <OeNZe8U9KHA.1892(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, cgaliher(a)gmail.com > says... >> Similarly, if you are an end-user of MS products, presumably the reason >> you'd switch to a new technology is because it offers more value for your >> dollar. That I also a win for the consumer as they get a better solution >> than they had before. >> > > I think this is where the problem lies - take Office 2007, there is no > "better solution" over Office 2003, completely different menu's, > retraining for end users, etc... the only good thing they did was > develop a compatibility tool so that office 2003 users were not screwed > out of their investment. > > With each new OS/Suite that MS puts out the security doesn't get better > and the performance drops. It would be nice to see them drastically > improve either or both. > > -- > You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little > voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. > Trust yourself. > spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Kerry Brown on 16 May 2010 23:10
> > Once companies realize support for their LOB will be easier when it is > moved to the cloud > I'm sure it will happen, (And they will like the subscription income > also.) > I believe this is where the cloud will really work for small businesses at least for the next little while. There are some technical challenges like redundant Internet connections but the challenges aren't that hard to solve and the payoff is big both for the small business and the developer/vendor. Once a few vendors try it successfully I see the move to cloud apps happening very quickly. It will take a while to convince me about BPOS though :-) -- Kerry Brown MS-MVP - Windows Desktop Experience: Systems Administration http://www.vistahelp.ca/phpBB2/ |