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From: Nico Coesel on 16 May 2010 15:18 Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Nico Coesel wrote: >> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Nico Coesel wrote: >>>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nico Coesel wrote: >>>>>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:29:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>>> IIRC, Jennic has a development kit and modules that are not too >>>>>>>>>> expensive, like $500 for the dev kit... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hmm, no pricing on the site: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.jennic.com/products/modules/jn5148_modules >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But it's just bare modules. When designing I don't really need that and >>>>>>>>> $500 just for home automation will raise a flag with SWMBO, just like a >>>>>>>>> $500 handbag would with me :-) >>>>>>>> Cheapskate! You mean your wife has no Coach purse? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nope. We tend to use such monies in more useful ways. For example as a >>>>>> OTOH buying a bag helps a few kids in Asia to fill their bellies. >>>>>> >>>>> Sending money to an organization where you can be sure that >80% of >>>>> donations make it to the recipients in the form of food and medication >>>>> helps a lot more. >>>> IOW: Buy from Dealextreme.com instead of Mediamarkt, Wallmart, Fry's, >>>> etc, etc. >>>> >>>> I don't know any organization that helps people efficiently. Over here >>>> the anual door-to-door collection result is barely enough to pay the >>>> director's salary. >>>> >>> This one does: >>> >>> http://www.guidedogs.com/site/PageServer >>> >>> WRT food/med/shelter overseas the best avenue to fond out is a good >>> church. They know which organizations are honest and efficient, and if >>> they are like ours they are also directly helping from parish to parish >>> which makes sure 100% of the money arrives and is used for the purpose. >>> I don't know Europe too well anymore but IIRC "Welthungerhilfe" is >>> pretty good. AFAIR they used to be above 90%. >> >> Or send goods directly. Back in the days of the cold war my mother >> used to send things (mostly clothing) to a family in Poland. >> > >We do that through our church, to Kabimoi in Kenia. Now they need a new >computer because the other one was stolen. But it has to be Africa-proof >so probably not Win7 and all that. Usually there are a lot of used HP, Compaq and Dell computers on the market. This is usually workstation grade stuff so it will survive for another couple of years. The biggest trick is to get close to the source. IOW get in touch with someone working at the IT department of a big company and ask when they are going to replace hardware. I usually pay 30 to 35 euro's for 4 to 5 year old Dell machines. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico(a)nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------
From: Joerg on 16 May 2010 15:28 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sun, 16 May 2010 10:55:34 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> D Yuniskis wrote: >>> Hi Joerg & Nico, >>> >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> Nico Coesel wrote: >>>>> Or send goods directly. Back in the days of the cold war my mother >>>>> used to send things (mostly clothing) to a family in Poland. >>> <grin> My neighbor is routinely fixing up cars (bought at >>> auction) and shipping them home to Poland. >>> >> There were whole ferries that left Germany full of cars, destination >> Lithuania etc. Not sure if they still do that. >> > [snip] > > I don't know about ferries, but the wife of my contact engineer at > Bosch was of Russian origin. She'd regularly drive into Russia, sell > the car, then fly back. > Yup, that's how it's done :-) Except you'd almost have to drive straight through. A hotel stop could mean that you arrive with only 95% of the car. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 16 May 2010 15:58 Nico Coesel wrote: > Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> Nico Coesel wrote: >>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Nico Coesel wrote: >>>>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nico Coesel wrote: >>>>>>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:29:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>>>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>>>>> IIRC, Jennic has a development kit and modules that are not too >>>>>>>>>>> expensive, like $500 for the dev kit... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hmm, no pricing on the site: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.jennic.com/products/modules/jn5148_modules >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But it's just bare modules. When designing I don't really need that and >>>>>>>>>> $500 just for home automation will raise a flag with SWMBO, just like a >>>>>>>>>> $500 handbag would with me :-) >>>>>>>>> Cheapskate! You mean your wife has no Coach purse? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nope. We tend to use such monies in more useful ways. For example as a >>>>>>> OTOH buying a bag helps a few kids in Asia to fill their bellies. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Sending money to an organization where you can be sure that >80% of >>>>>> donations make it to the recipients in the form of food and medication >>>>>> helps a lot more. >>>>> IOW: Buy from Dealextreme.com instead of Mediamarkt, Wallmart, Fry's, >>>>> etc, etc. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know any organization that helps people efficiently. Over here >>>>> the anual door-to-door collection result is barely enough to pay the >>>>> director's salary. >>>>> >>>> This one does: >>>> >>>> http://www.guidedogs.com/site/PageServer >>>> >>>> WRT food/med/shelter overseas the best avenue to fond out is a good >>>> church. They know which organizations are honest and efficient, and if >>>> they are like ours they are also directly helping from parish to parish >>>> which makes sure 100% of the money arrives and is used for the purpose. >>>> I don't know Europe too well anymore but IIRC "Welthungerhilfe" is >>>> pretty good. AFAIR they used to be above 90%. >>> Or send goods directly. Back in the days of the cold war my mother >>> used to send things (mostly clothing) to a family in Poland. >>> >> We do that through our church, to Kabimoi in Kenia. Now they need a new >> computer because the other one was stolen. But it has to be Africa-proof >> so probably not Win7 and all that. > > Usually there are a lot of used HP, Compaq and Dell computers on the > market. This is usually workstation grade stuff so it will survive for > another couple of years. The biggest trick is to get close to the > source. IOW get in touch with someone working at the IT department of > a big company and ask when they are going to replace hardware. I > usually pay 30 to 35 euro's for 4 to 5 year old Dell machines. > Although, with laptops you end up having to buy a new battery and that can easily add $200. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: D Yuniskis on 16 May 2010 16:38 Hi Nico, Nico Coesel wrote: > Usually there are a lot of used HP, Compaq and Dell computers on the > market. This is usually workstation grade stuff so it will survive for > another couple of years. The biggest trick is to get close to the > source. IOW get in touch with someone working at the IT department of > a big company and ask when they are going to replace hardware. I > usually pay 30 to 35 euro's for 4 to 5 year old Dell machines. Depends largely on where you are. Here, things like servers often sell for considerably *less* than "desktop machines" (e.g., $10-15). I am often offered servers from businesses who don't want to be bothered "sanitizing" the machine(s) and then routing them to a suitable recycling facility. I suspect the reason is because folks buy up (at auctions) the desktop machines in the hope of reselling them to "consumers". By contrast, few "consumers" would want the size and noise associated with a true server. I know I only run my servers when I absolutely *must* (and rarely in the Summer months :> ). If you have a true desire to get involved in this sort of "recycling" effort (and can line up someone to take on the cost of shipping and getting them "in" through customs), I'm sure you can find a local business that would be happy to have you "take their problems" off their hands. :> Until recently, we were seeing firms turn over the vast majority of their IT kit every 24-36 months. Some firms even faster than that (I saw one firm unload a few hundred 1.4G P4's when 2G machines became available -- sheesh! how much of their budget is wasted^H^H^H spent on IT staff if you have that short of a cycle??) (of course, before you take acceptance of a metric buttload of machines, do some research on the machines in question. Many have chronic manufacturing problems and either *have* failed or *will* fail RSN)
From: Phil Hobbs on 16 May 2010 20:12
Joerg wrote: > Nico Coesel wrote: >> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Nico Coesel wrote: >>>> Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 15 May 2010 10:29:08 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>>>> [snip] >>>>>>>> IIRC, Jennic has a development kit and modules that are not too >>>>>>>> expensive, like $500 for the dev kit... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hmm, no pricing on the site: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.jennic.com/products/modules/jn5148_modules >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But it's just bare modules. When designing I don't really need >>>>>>> that and $500 just for home automation will raise a flag with >>>>>>> SWMBO, just like a $500 handbag would with me :-) >>>>>> Cheapskate! You mean your wife has no Coach purse? >>>>>> >>>>> Nope. We tend to use such monies in more useful ways. For example as a >>>> OTOH buying a bag helps a few kids in Asia to fill their bellies. >>>> >>> Sending money to an organization where you can be sure that >80% of >>> donations make it to the recipients in the form of food and >>> medication helps a lot more. >> >> IOW: Buy from Dealextreme.com instead of Mediamarkt, Wallmart, Fry's, >> etc, etc. >> >> I don't know any organization that helps people efficiently. Over here >> the anual door-to-door collection result is barely enough to pay the >> director's salary. >> > > This one does: > > http://www.guidedogs.com/site/PageServer > > WRT food/med/shelter overseas the best avenue to fond out is a good > church. They know which organizations are honest and efficient, and if > they are like ours they are also directly helping from parish to parish > which makes sure 100% of the money arrives and is used for the purpose. > I don't know Europe too well anymore but IIRC "Welthungerhilfe" is > pretty good. AFAIR they used to be above 90%. > World Vision runs about 11% overhead. Great outfit. http://www.worldvision.org/resources.nsf/Main/annual-review-2009-resources/$FILE/AR_2009FinancialHighlights.pdf Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal ElectroOptical Innovations 55 Orchard Rd Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 845-480-2058 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |