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From: Joerg on 17 May 2010 11:04 D Yuniskis wrote: > Hi Joerg, > > Joerg wrote: >> Joel Koltner wrote: >>> The average percentage CPU load on any of these machines was in the >>> single digits, of course. >>> >>> What a waste... >> >> Happens with individuals, too. "Oh, the old PC? That's now my print >> server". Burning 50+ watts all day long. I have several office >> printers yet never needed a dedicated print server ... > > That depends on the printers that you have and how you use > them. E.g., most of my printers have network interface cards > built in. So, I don't need anything special to talk to > any of those. > > OTOH, the printer that I use most often (an LJ6P) does NOT! Well, my 5L is connected to the LAN router which has a parallel port. Works like a champ. Unless it has a hang-up but that it does no matter what it's connected to (HP forgot a reset button). The big office printer is directly on the LAN and that's how it should nowadays be. > So, I connect it to my bastion host (which serves as my > local DNS, NTP, TFTP, BOOTP, xfs, HTTP, FTP, etc. server). > I.e., the "print server" functionality is "free" -- since > all those other services need to be running, anyway... > Other than the work computers here there's nothing that must run all day/night. In the evening everything is powered off unless I need to run a major SPICE simulation. > I don't tether any printers directly to a specific machine > (well, that's a little lie... the color inkjets are hardwired > to my multimedia workstation -- but nothing else *needs* > to talk to those) as doing so would force that machine to > be up and running *just* to use the printer. :-/ (I have > probably 6 or 7 printers that see different kinds of use > from different machines, etc.) 6-7 printer? Yikes. Time to part with some? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Nico Coesel on 17 May 2010 11:04 "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"D Yuniskis" <not.going.to.be(a)seen.com> wrote in message >news:hspkoc$edm$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >> Some firms >> even faster than that (I saw one firm unload a few hundred >> 1.4G P4's when 2G machines became available -- sheesh! >> how much of their budget is wasted^H^H^H spent on IT staff >> if you have that short of a cycle??) > >I've worked at places where the IT guys felt that "separation of >functionality" was so important that there was a separate $3k printer server, >a $3k mail server, a $3k SQL server, a $3k file server, etc. -- for a company >of about ~20 people. This actually makes a lot of sense. From my experience as a system administrator I must say that seperating functions helps stability a lot. Especially back in the NT4 days. Having 20 people do nothing can cost more than $3k per day. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... nico(a)nctdevpuntnl (punt=.) --------------------------------------------------------------
From: Vladimir Vassilevsky on 17 May 2010 11:08 D Yuniskis wrote: > Instead of thinking about the issue that is trying to > be addressed with these little mantras, they take them > literally. This is what is called systematic approach; and this is the only way of existence for big organizations. VLV
From: Joel Koltner on 17 May 2010 11:09 "D Yuniskis" <not.going.to.be(a)seen.com> wrote in message news:hsrl5t$r4r$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > I've got these cute little PC's (about the size of a > 5" floppy drive) that make excellent little (headless) > servers (http://www.ixbt.com/short/2k2-09/ezgo.jpg). > Keep a spare one in a shoebox in case the one that is > in service craps out... :> Looks nice! In a similar vein, my mother has one of these at her home in New Zealand: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101079&cm_re=shuttle_x27-_-56-101-079-_-Product - - I specifically purchased it as something that fits within a U.S.P.S. flat-rate box so that shipping prices for the inevitable fixes and upgrades would be reasonably inexpensive! (This has already happened once -- her friend has holding the thing up in the air to demonstrate where a mouse plugged into it, lost his grip... and dropped it ~1.5m onto the floor. Arrggg!)
From: Joerg on 17 May 2010 11:17
Joel Koltner wrote: > "Joerg" <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message > news:85d2dgFnpqU2(a)mid.individual.net... >> Happens with individuals, too. "Oh, the old PC? That's now my print >> server". Burning 50+ watts all day long. I have several office >> printers yet never needed a dedicated print server ... > > I've only purchased printers with built-in Ethernet ports for a number > for some years now. :-) (There only are two currently in use -- HP > OfficeJet K850 and a Canon MX850 multi-function printer/scanner/FAX.) > Nowadays I'd do the same, and the Brother multifunction has LAN. But the HP printer is now well over 10 years old and lasts and lasts. Back then there were no LAN printers, at least not in a somewhat sane price range. > Although I probably should measure the standby current of the K850 -- if > it's more than a handful of watts it'd be worth turning off when it's > not in use. (The MX850 does stay off by "default" as it gets used just > once every week or so, most of the time.) > > I have one of those integrated DSL modem/routers/wireless access point > boxes (...that also has a USB port on the back for network accessible > storage -- my wife has a 2.5" drive connected that she uses for > backups), although sometimes I worry that perhaps this is going too far > towards too much functionality in one box. > Yes, it's almost to the point where you'd better buy an exact same box again so you have a spare. Probably best to configure and then store. Else, if this box croaks your whole system will be dead in the water. If your phones run through this I'd definitely have a spare. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM. |