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From: Joerg on 22 May 2010 12:08 Charlie E. wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:52:21 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Charlie E. wrote: >>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:09:39 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>>> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> <snip> >>> >>>>> Yep. I've contemplated a powered one that forms a usable deck. >>>>> >>>> Ah, I see. You invite folks from this here NG and seat the not so nice >>>> fellahs on that "usable deck", then go inside and press magic button ... >>>> *SPLOSH* :-) >>> Bach when I was going to UCSB, one of my teachers had us up to his >>> house one weekend, and showed us HIS pool cover. It was two patio >>> covers made from wood and corrugated fiberglass panels that >>> cantelevered down to cover the pool, and then came up to provide shade >>> when you wanted to use the pool! >>> >> Wow! The lumber alone much have cost him north of $3k. >> >> >>> Unfortunately, a week later, the fires came and took the entire >>> home... :-( >>> >> :-( > > The pool wasn't that big, so the covers were each probably 10x30 feet. > the interesting thing was the hydralics to lift and lower it! > Impressive. He probably had to make sure that his insurance agent was never invited to a pool party :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Charlie E. on 22 May 2010 12:18 On Sat, 22 May 2010 09:08:22 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Charlie E. wrote: >> On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:52:21 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Charlie E. wrote: >>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:09:39 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Thompson wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 19:48:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >>>>>> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>>>> Yep. I've contemplated a powered one that forms a usable deck. >>>>>> >>>>> Ah, I see. You invite folks from this here NG and seat the not so nice >>>>> fellahs on that "usable deck", then go inside and press magic button ... >>>>> *SPLOSH* :-) >>>> Bach when I was going to UCSB, one of my teachers had us up to his >>>> house one weekend, and showed us HIS pool cover. It was two patio >>>> covers made from wood and corrugated fiberglass panels that >>>> cantelevered down to cover the pool, and then came up to provide shade >>>> when you wanted to use the pool! >>>> >>> Wow! The lumber alone much have cost him north of $3k. >>> >>> >>>> Unfortunately, a week later, the fires came and took the entire >>>> home... :-( >>>> >>> :-( >> >> The pool wasn't that big, so the covers were each probably 10x30 feet. >> the interesting thing was the hydralics to lift and lower it! >> > >Impressive. He probably had to make sure that his insurance agent was >never invited to a pool party :-) Quite likely!
From: Joerg on 22 May 2010 12:19 krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Sat, 22 May 2010 08:23:11 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:07:55 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:11:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:38:31 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:32:57 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [...] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The best sort of mentoring is what some volunteer IEEE members do in >>>>>>>>>> South America. There, lots of people die from lung diseases because they >>>>>>>>>> read using kerosine lamps at night. So they install a few >>>>>>>>>> solar-battery-LED thingamagics in the first 2-3 huts while some of the >>>>>>>>>> more clever villagers look at how the work is done. Then, they hand the >>>>>>>>>> toolbox and the materials for the next dozen huts to the villagers. >>>>>>>>> But without food and clean water, reading is a luxury. >>>>>>>> Oh, they do have that. Even cerveza, or probably chicha (in Quechua). >>>>>>>> Those people have lived there and farmed that sparse and rough terrain >>>>>>>> for hundreds of year, but now they want to afford their kids some >>>>>>>> education (or maybe have to). They really eke out a meager living, far >>>>>>> >from what we are used to. The son of a couple from our church was down >>>>>>>> there on a long term technical mission, building stuff etc. He said the >>>>>>>> utmost in delicatessen when there is a really important feast was cooked >>>>>>>> chicken feet. He really had to get used to some things there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's just that there is no electricity within whole swaths of >>>>>>>> countryside. Not one lone powerline crossing the mountain ranges. So >>>>>>>> those smoke-belching lanterns are their only affordable option. >>>>>>> Then these aren't the people (I think) JKK was talking about when he said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Propping up overpopulation (more than the relevant economy can provide >>>>>>> for) strikes me as an error, and poor ethics." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They seem to be surviving fine. >>>>>> People could, almost everywhere in the world. The main problems are >>>>>> unmanaged diseases (like HIV), poorly managed irrigation and farming, >>>>>> lack of education, socialist dictators, but foremost hardcore government >>>>>> corruption where 90+ percent of the population starve while a few >>>>>> percent live high on the hog. Plus, more lately, fundamentalists. >>>>> Almost everywhere, agreed. The main issue is socialists, dictators, and >>>>> corruption. Without changing these huge issues, you're pissing up a rope. >>>>> >>>> If all this saves one person's life it was worth it, IMHO. >>> Even if it kills ten more? >>> >> Our help? It never did that. But it does help give people with HIV over >> there purpose and later a dignified death, not somewhere alone in the >> streets. > > Your charity isn't in a place where people don't have even the basics for > life. The point is that there are places that helping a little can do more > long-term harm than none at all. That's where the ethical issues come into > play. > It is in such a place. HIV people are outcasts there. Many would starve if it wasn't for the church. This is typical "urban development": http://www.kenya-advisor.com/images/kibera-slum-nairobi-kenya-190x210.jpg > If condoms, for instance, allow the sexual lifestyles continue unaltered, is > that a good thing? ...even if it saves one person's life? There are tough > ethical choices. We tend to not be so good at seeing unintended consequences, > either (and worse, liberals ignore the them even after they become obvious). That's why it is important to work through an organization that consist of local people that are older and have experience. They know what works and what doesn't, and what the consequences could be. In our case that local organization is a church in Kenya, led by Pastor Omega who can be seen here: http://www.godschosenvessel.com/index12.html -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: JosephKK on 22 May 2010 21:06 On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:02:01 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:11:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: > >>krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:38:31 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:32:57 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>>> The best sort of mentoring is what some volunteer IEEE members do in >>>>>> South America. There, lots of people die from lung diseases because they >>>>>> read using kerosine lamps at night. So they install a few >>>>>> solar-battery-LED thingamagics in the first 2-3 huts while some of the >>>>>> more clever villagers look at how the work is done. Then, they hand the >>>>>> toolbox and the materials for the next dozen huts to the villagers. >>>>> But without food and clean water, reading is a luxury. >>>> >>>> Oh, they do have that. Even cerveza, or probably chicha (in Quechua). >>>> Those people have lived there and farmed that sparse and rough terrain >>>> for hundreds of year, but now they want to afford their kids some >>>> education (or maybe have to). They really eke out a meager living, far >>>>from what we are used to. The son of a couple from our church was down >>>> there on a long term technical mission, building stuff etc. He said the >>>> utmost in delicatessen when there is a really important feast was cooked >>>> chicken feet. He really had to get used to some things there. >>>> >>>> It's just that there is no electricity within whole swaths of >>>> countryside. Not one lone powerline crossing the mountain ranges. So >>>> those smoke-belching lanterns are their only affordable option. >>> >>> Then these aren't the people (I think) JKK was talking about when he said: >>> >>> "Propping up overpopulation (more than the relevant economy can provide >>> for) strikes me as an error, and poor ethics." >>> >>> They seem to be surviving fine. >> >> >>People could, almost everywhere in the world. The main problems are >>unmanaged diseases (like HIV), poorly managed irrigation and farming, >>lack of education, socialist dictators, but foremost hardcore government >>corruption where 90+ percent of the population starve while a few >>percent live high on the hog. Plus, more lately, fundamentalists. > >Almost everywhere, agreed. The main issue is socialists, dictators, and >corruption. Without changing these huge issues, you're pissing up a rope. > >>Sometimes very small changes in one of the above can work wonders. You >>just can't fix a whole country. Our church, for example, concentrates on >>a small area in Kenia (called Kabimoi) and slowly people over there >>realize that there is indeed hope. > >My brother and SIL spent two years in Kenya, in the Peace Corps (and whatever >the Brit version is). Their problem was *our* governments. And the multinational corporations. They really like the deals they get from the corrupt governments. > >The idea that really caught my attention was the various "micro capitalism" >efforts.
From: krw on 22 May 2010 21:36
On Sat, 22 May 2010 18:06:44 -0700, "JosephKK"<quiettechblue(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Fri, 21 May 2010 18:02:01 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" ><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >>On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:11:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >> >>>krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 15:38:31 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 19 May 2010 06:32:57 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>>>> The best sort of mentoring is what some volunteer IEEE members do in >>>>>>> South America. There, lots of people die from lung diseases because they >>>>>>> read using kerosine lamps at night. So they install a few >>>>>>> solar-battery-LED thingamagics in the first 2-3 huts while some of the >>>>>>> more clever villagers look at how the work is done. Then, they hand the >>>>>>> toolbox and the materials for the next dozen huts to the villagers. >>>>>> But without food and clean water, reading is a luxury. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, they do have that. Even cerveza, or probably chicha (in Quechua). >>>>> Those people have lived there and farmed that sparse and rough terrain >>>>> for hundreds of year, but now they want to afford their kids some >>>>> education (or maybe have to). They really eke out a meager living, far >>>>>from what we are used to. The son of a couple from our church was down >>>>> there on a long term technical mission, building stuff etc. He said the >>>>> utmost in delicatessen when there is a really important feast was cooked >>>>> chicken feet. He really had to get used to some things there. >>>>> >>>>> It's just that there is no electricity within whole swaths of >>>>> countryside. Not one lone powerline crossing the mountain ranges. So >>>>> those smoke-belching lanterns are their only affordable option. >>>> >>>> Then these aren't the people (I think) JKK was talking about when he said: >>>> >>>> "Propping up overpopulation (more than the relevant economy can provide >>>> for) strikes me as an error, and poor ethics." >>>> >>>> They seem to be surviving fine. >>> >>> >>>People could, almost everywhere in the world. The main problems are >>>unmanaged diseases (like HIV), poorly managed irrigation and farming, >>>lack of education, socialist dictators, but foremost hardcore government >>>corruption where 90+ percent of the population starve while a few >>>percent live high on the hog. Plus, more lately, fundamentalists. >> >>Almost everywhere, agreed. The main issue is socialists, dictators, and >>corruption. Without changing these huge issues, you're pissing up a rope. >> >>>Sometimes very small changes in one of the above can work wonders. You >>>just can't fix a whole country. Our church, for example, concentrates on >>>a small area in Kenia (called Kabimoi) and slowly people over there >>>realize that there is indeed hope. >> >>My brother and SIL spent two years in Kenya, in the Peace Corps (and whatever >>the Brit version is). Their problem was *our* governments. > >And the multinational corporations. They really like the deals they get >from the corrupt governments. The problem, really, was the lifer bureaucrats, who thought the Peace Corps was all about their career. >>The idea that really caught my attention was the various "micro capitalism" >>efforts. |