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From: YD on 4 Jan 2010 21:39 Late at night, by candle light, sparky <sparky12x(a)yahoo.com> penned this immortal opus: >It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was >no usenet and no regulars.. Just ordinary people like you and me. >Then a few decided to become the "net cops" and make rules for >others. > Usenet was going strong long before there were browsers. In fact, the main means of communication at the time. Not counting IRC. It's declining the last couple of years due to Google screwing it up by making it available in browsers and the old-timers tiring of the mess. Looking at the frontpage GooGoo make it look like usenet was their invention and a sub-set of GooGoo groups. Nothing could be farther from the truth. - YD. -- Remove HAT if replying by mail.
From: Josepi on 5 Jan 2010 00:19 Usenet has come a long way since we used to ftp the messages down. Browsers were developed and threading became a reality and attaching messages to your reply became unecessary, except for clarity of response. Top posting has always been encouraged by all browsers in order to keep headers with the their respective text and the latest posted information at the position the post was opened, by your modern browser. Some people just can't get out of the eighties with their Usenet technology, despite all their professed prowess with other technologies. "YD" <ydtechHAT(a)techie.com> wrote in message news:a495k5trnr1p4enh6ggfli16f6i3da807v(a)4ax.com... Usenet was going strong long before there were browsers. In fact, the main means of communication at the time. Not counting IRC. It's declining the last couple of years due to Google screwing it up by making it available in browsers and the old-timers tiring of the mess. Looking at the frontpage GooGoo make it look like usenet was their invention and a sub-set of GooGoo groups. Nothing could be farther from the truth. - YD. -- Late at night, by candle light, sparky <sparky12x(a)yahoo.com> penned this immortal opus: >It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was >no usenet and no regulars.. Just ordinary people like you and me. >Then a few decided to become the "net cops" and make rules for >others. >
From: Don Klipstein on 5 Jan 2010 00:49 In article <YZz0n.1623$ap2.607(a)newsfe18.iad>, Josepi wrote: >Usenet has come a long way since we used to ftp the messages down. I never used ftp for Usenet since I got involved in 1995. This is the first time I even heard of ftp being used for Usenet, and I have heard differently how it usually worked. > Browsers were developed and threading became a reality Threading was a reality in 1995 and before, with newsreader and email/news software. > and attaching messages to your >reply became unecessary, except for clarity of response. > >Top posting has always been encouraged by all browsers in order to keep >headers with the their respective text and the latest posted information >at the position the post was opened, by your modern browser. Newsreader software worked that way in 1995 and before also (and still does)! Meanwhile, Usenet regulars are accustomed to looking for responses following what they are in response to. Browsers do not discourage that any more than newsreader software does. > Some people just can't get out of the eighties with their Usenet >technology, despite all their professed prowess with other technologies. The customs of Usenet were established by people who are now old farts, and the vast majority of those on Usenet support the old-fart customs, because of how they are accustomed to time-efficiently reading Usenet posts. - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com) >"YD" <ydtechHAT(a)techie.com> wrote in message >news:a495k5trnr1p4enh6ggfli16f6i3da807v(a)4ax.com... (and Josepi fails ro add quotation symbols as usual) >Usenet was going strong long before there were browsers. In fact, the >main means of communication at the time. Not counting IRC. It's >declining the last couple of years due to Google screwing it up by >making it available in browsers and the old-timers tiring of the mess. > >Looking at the frontpage GooGoo make it look like usenet was their >invention and a sub-set of GooGoo groups. Nothing could be farther >from the truth. > >- YD. <SNIP afterwards>
From: Baron on 5 Jan 2010 12:48 sparky Inscribed thus: > It mostly depends on what you want to do. A few years ago there was > no usenet and no regulars.. Just ordinary people like you and me. > Then a few decided to become the "net cops" and make rules for > others. I think you need to go and read a bit of history ! Usenet precedes the WWW by a long way. I was using it in the early 80's... Almost 30 years ago. Seems like yesterday. :-) <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet> -- Best Regards: Baron.
From: YD on 5 Jan 2010 21:21
Late at night, by candle light, "Josepi" <JRM(a)invaliid.con> penned this immortal opus: >Usenet has come a long way since we used to ftp the messages down. Browsers >were developed and threading became a reality and attaching messages to your >reply became unecessary, except for clarity of response. AFAIK ftp was never used for messaging, except possibly some BBS. Threading newsreaders (with the original text attached) were a reality long before any Windows boxes came on-line. Hell, there weren't any Windows boxes at all at the time. Go read some history, will you? Do you really think www is the end-all and be-all of the internet? If you do, excellent! It means one less clueless weenie not getting into the real stuff and mess it up. - YD -- Remove HAT if replying by mail. |