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From: Chris Ridd on 26 Apr 2010 11:35 On 2010-04-26 16:32:18 +0100, Woody said: > Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> He didn't get as far as your trousers? > > I don't think that IBM perform *that* sort of interview! I thought IBM folks were all stiffs? I'll get me coat. -- Chris
From: Woody on 26 Apr 2010 11:38 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > [1] Actually, Knuth was using it as DTP on a powerful minicomputer in > the 1970s, while it was under development. Of *course* he had a > terminal on his desk, what 1970s mathematically minded computer > scientist wouldn't, if he could? I guess he must have done a lot of algorithm work, as I have just downloaded the source of XSL-FO (so I can add some extensions) and his name appears in a lot of the source files in org/apache/fop/layoutmanager (such as blockKnuthSequence.java and inlineKnuthSequence.java) -- Woody
From: zoara on 26 Apr 2010 11:55 Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > > I also refuse to work for IBM. I'm still waiting for the job offer > > so I > > can actually tell them I refuse, but in the meantime I can refuse > > without it. > > That is, of course, your privilege. Actually, I think I'm only refusing to work for IBM while they refuse to offer me a job. When they change their mind, I'll probably change mine. At least for a bit. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: Rowland McDonnell on 26 Apr 2010 12:20 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > [1] Actually, Knuth was using it as DTP on a powerful minicomputer in > > the 1970s, while it was under development. Of *course* he had a > > terminal on his desk, what 1970s mathematically minded computer > > scientist wouldn't, if he could? > > I guess he must have done a lot of algorithm work, as I have just > downloaded the source of XSL-FO (so I can add some extensions) and his > name appears in a lot of the source files in > org/apache/fop/layoutmanager (such as blockKnuthSequence.java and > inlineKnuthSequence.java) Erm, yeah, algorithms are his specialist field AFAIK. It was why he wrote TeX - so he could typeset his books without the typesetters making a horrible mess of them (as they had been doing - he was driven to write TeX due to frustration with poor quality work done by others). TeX's just a side-show for Knuth - last major update in 1983[1], last bug fix I heard of was the obY2K fix (very minor, not needed to permit TeX to function, just a messed up data log issue). Ever heard of The Art of Computer Programming? That was the series of books TeX was written to typeset. IIRC, Knuth's idea was to catalogue all the fundamental computer algorithms in one set of volumes (the job has expanded since begun...) <http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?ie=UTF8&tag=firefox-uk-21&index=blended&link_ code=qs&field-keywords=The%20Art%20of%20Computer%20Programming&sourceid= Mozilla-search> Rowland. [1] But the situation is not as static as you might think. TeX is finished, fixed, done and dusted. TeX derivatives are a different matter... -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: zoara on 26 Apr 2010 12:35
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> > > wrote: > > > > > The Wikip page on InDesign is wrong on many counts - it's a long > > > way > > > from the first DTP package to offer the features listed on the > > > Wikip > > > page. TeX got there first on ALL the features listed as `firsts' > > > in > > > history of InDesign AFAICT. Cross-platform DTP, that's what TeX > > > is, > > > built-in cross-platform scripting, the ability to run *ANY* code > > > (JS > > > or > > > otherwise[1]) from inside TeX (or not, if forbidden under user > > > control). > > > > Isn't DTP defined as being WYSIWYG? > > <shrug> > > You're being silly again. Not intentionally. I was asking for confirmation. > DeskTop Publishing is what DTP stands for. I know - I wasn't asking what the acronym stood for, but what the definition was. My understanding was that the "desktop publishing revolution" was fuelled by WYSIWYG, which brought the ability to publish documents to the less-technical masses. Before WYSIWYG, there wasn't any DTP... > *YOU* might define it as wysiwyg - I don't, and I've not met that > usage > before. It probably is defined as wysiwyg by some fanbois of > whatever, > but that's a stupid definition. It appears to be the definition Wikipedia uses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_publishing "Desktop publishing (also known as DTP) combines a personal computer and WYSIWYG page layout software" The same page mentions Tex but defines that (in italics for emphasis) as desktop *typesetting*, in contrast to desktop *publishing*. That text has been there for a while, so it *seems* like my understanding - that DTP is WYSIWYG - is the more usual one. > It was wysiwyg that got DTP popular - that's probably behind your > mistaken idea here. Possibly, but I don't seem to be the only one with that "misunderstanding". Perhaps you have misunderstood? > It's just lose, lose, lose if you do it wysiwyg; except for the minor > point that you can get the staff to drive the wysiwyg kit. That's a minor point?! > > > (and I've not corrected it on account of having no urge at all to > > > dig > > > up > > > the proofs required to deal with Wikip's braindead regular > > > editors) > > > > That makes my head spin. Are you saying that Wikipedia's editors > > require > > more rigorous fact checking than you consider sensible? > > What an odd question - I see no reason for you to think that, nor for > you to ask me about it even if you *DID* think that. So what *are* you saying? -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm |