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From: Bruce Horrocks on 26 Apr 2010 13:51 On 26/04/2010 16:55, zoara wrote: > Peter Ceresole<peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> zoara<me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: >> >>> I also refuse to work for IBM. I'm still waiting for the job offer >>> so I >>> can actually tell them I refuse, but in the meantime I can refuse >>> without it. >> >> That is, of course, your privilege. > > Actually, I think I'm only refusing to work for IBM while they refuse to > offer me a job. When they change their mind, I'll probably change mine. > At least for a bit. A friend of mine, years ago when leaving university, refused to work for British Aerospace (as they were then) and went for some firm whose name I've since forgotten. After a while his employers were bought out by someone larger, and then again, and then again until, eventually, after having worked for six different companies without ever moving desk, they were eventually bought out by BAe. At which point he resigned. :-) -- Bruce Horrocks Surrey England (bruce at scorecrow dot com)
From: Bernard Peek on 26 Apr 2010 14:07 On 26/04/10 18:07, Tim Streater wrote: >> If you are a creative person who does not mind being forced to give away >> all your rights to all your ideas, not just the ones you come up with on >> the firm's time and for the firm's projects, I'm sure that's acceptable >> to you. >> >> But some of us think that it's grossly unjust for a firm to claim such >> ownership. > > No different in any other comparable company, I would have thought. The law on this is pretty complex. In the UK the default situation is that intellectual property that you create in the course of your employment is owned by the employer unless there is a specific clause saying otherwise. IP developed outside company time and not in the course of the employer's business is not owned by the employer. As I understand it this only applies if you have defined working times, which is unusual these days. One thing to bear in mind is that it's quite possible that employment contracts might contain clauses that aren't enforceable, relying on the fact that most employees wouldn't realise that. -- Bernard Peek bap(a)shrdlu.com
From: Jaimie Vandenbergh on 26 Apr 2010 14:14 On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:07:48 +0100, Bernard Peek <bap(a)shrdlu.com> wrote: >One thing to bear in mind is that it's quite possible that employment >contracts might contain clauses that aren't enforceable, relying on the >fact that most employees wouldn't realise that. Most employees don't understand that employment contracts are negotiable, either. If you're concerned about this sort of thing, talk it out before signing. Cheers - Jaimie -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. - Nietzsche (via Groening)
From: Woody on 26 Apr 2010 14:44 Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie(a)sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:07:48 +0100, Bernard Peek <bap(a)shrdlu.com> > wrote: > > >One thing to bear in mind is that it's quite possible that employment > >contracts might contain clauses that aren't enforceable, relying on the > >fact that most employees wouldn't realise that. > > Most employees don't understand that employment contracts are > negotiable, either. If you're concerned about this sort of thing, talk > it out before signing. When I worked in the states, that entry in the contract was normal. I said to my boss that I wasn't accepting it, and he thought it was odd as it was normal. As it was, I never got round to signing the contract, as we were supposed to be talking about it and it never happened. -- Woody www.alienrat.com
From: Graham J on 26 Apr 2010 15:16
"Bruce Horrocks" <07.013(a)scorecrow.com> wrote in message news:83m24uF48uU1(a)mid.individual.net... > On 26/04/2010 16:55, zoara wrote: >> Peter Ceresole<peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> zoara<me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: >>> >>>> I also refuse to work for IBM. I'm still waiting for the job offer >>>> so I >>>> can actually tell them I refuse, but in the meantime I can refuse >>>> without it. >>> >>> That is, of course, your privilege. >> >> Actually, I think I'm only refusing to work for IBM while they refuse to >> offer me a job. When they change their mind, I'll probably change mine. >> At least for a bit. > > A friend of mine, years ago when leaving university, refused to work for > British Aerospace (as they were then) and went for some firm whose name > I've since forgotten. After a while his employers were bought out by > someone larger, and then again, and then again until, eventually, after > having worked for six different companies without ever moving desk, they > were eventually bought out by BAe. At which point he resigned. :-) There was a similar story in the late 60's about a chap who was really skilled at designing capacitors, and who worked for a small company. Phillips offered him a spectacular contract, but he declined. In the end Phillips bought the small company - so he resigned! -- Graham J |