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From: zoara on 26 Apr 2010 17:39 D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote: > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote: > > > D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote: > > > > No, Google is the new Microsoft. In a way, Google is really the > > > new > > > IBM, except that when Microsoft used to be the new IBM, it did it > > > so > > > much that people stopped remembering what the IBM was. Now > > > Microsoft is > > > starting to become what the actual IBM became after Microsoft > > > became > > > the new IBM, but people still remember it. > > > > So what's the new Google? > > Perhaps it's Apple. Better invest then. -z- -- email: nettid1 at fastmail dot fm
From: D.M. Procida on 26 Apr 2010 18:12 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > ... and the fact now Apple and Google now square up for dominance over > > technology in the way Apple and Microsoft did, > > Really? I don't see it. That's how Google and Apple see it. They have competing phone systems, competing advertising revenue systems, competing web browsers, and competing operating systems. The competition in some of these still nascent, but it's real, and looks like it's there to stay. Daniele
From: Richard Tobin on 26 Apr 2010 18:45 In article <1jhknxv.119xg34udu7bN%real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>, Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: >The gross injustice is the situation where your employer claims >ownership of all your ideas, including those you come up with in your >own time. The gross injustice is the ownership of ideas. -- Richard
From: Rowland McDonnell on 26 Apr 2010 22:37 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Pd <peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid> wrote: [snip] > > > > As an analogy, that fails in so many ways. The sort-of similarity is > > > > that Google is as ubiquitous as a search engine as Microsoft was as a > > > > personal computer operating system. > > > > > > ... and the fact now Apple and Google now square up for dominance over > > > technology in the way Apple and Microsoft did, > > > > Really? I don't see it. > > > > Where's the Apple-search-engine-driving-ad-revenue? > > Its actually iPhone driving ad revenue at the moment: > > <http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/08/apple-announces-iad-mobile-advertising > -platform/> Which isn't comparable to what Google does - that's advertising to make more money from a specific bit of hardware, rather than doing what Google does, which is rather more pervasive: Google's doing its best to take a cut of as many different ways of serving ads as possible. Get my drift? Google's aiming at world domination of at least part of the advertising world; Apple's just doing a job of figuring out another way to make money out of one particular bit of hardware. There's no competition between the two in this case. > > Nowhere. > > > > Where's the Google-ecosystem-driving-the-sales-of-Google-made-hardware? > > <http://www.google.com/mobile/navigation/> That's not exactly a Google phone, is it? Made my HTC corporation - where did the design come from? Seems to me that it's aimed at `being an Android phone' so that there's a benchmark in the market and so that people can get an Android phone if they want one. It's a bit of hardware aimed at driving the Google ecosystem, not the other way round which is what Apple does. There's no competition between the two in this case either. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: Rowland McDonnell on 26 Apr 2010 22:37
D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > > ... and the fact now Apple and Google now square up for dominance over > > > technology in the way Apple and Microsoft did, > > > > Really? I don't see it. > > That's how Google and Apple see it. They have competing phone systems, > competing advertising revenue systems, competing web browsers, and > competing operating systems. I don't see that either of them is aiming at *dominance* of any of those market segments. I see them competing, but not head-on, not aiming at crushing anyone, just aiming at getting a decent slice of the cake, which they're both intent on making bigger. > The competition in some of these still nascent, but it's real, and looks > like it's there to stay. They're competing in a way - but neither of them is aiming at taking over the world of phones or OSes or Web browsers, and their approaches are sufficiently different that it looks to me as if they're sort of carefully /not/ competing head-on so much as trying out different and complementary ways of doing things, so that they can both get a decent slice of an ever-enlarging cake (which isn't to say that neither of them wouldn't pounch for a killer blow if the opportunity arose, I suspect - but I think the situation is such that that's not likely). For all that I call Google and Apple old-fashioned, even that old crock The Steve is of a generation which really believed that you could make the cake larger, and The Steve is convinced that high tech is a damned fine way to do that. Ditto Google's founders - but they've got some added `something' which I suspect I'm too old-fashioned to understand properly, but: something to do with `getting it done quicker' by using more flexible management and working structures. Yes, they're competing, but in a way that's meant to benefit anyone who can keep up and stay in the race. Or so it seems to me. Rowland. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking |