Can Christian Electronic Designers Design?
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From: Bill Bowden on 28 Jun 2010 21:46 On Jun 28, 5:31 am, David Eather <eat...(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: > On 28/06/2010 1:17 PM, Bill Bowden wrote: > > > > > On Jun 26, 6:10 pm, David Eather<eat...(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: > >> On 25/06/2010 3:12 PM, D from BC wrote: > > >>> In article<SLKdnTQdq9Tgt5HRnZ2dnUVZ_r2dn...(a)giganews.com>, > >>> eat...(a)tpg.com.au says... > >>>> And if you think Jews/Christians are trhe only people who think the > >>>> world was flooded because it was evil, nearly every world culture has > >>>> the same "myth" > > >>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth > > >>> All the flood stories are different than the God genocide story. > >>> Which means Christians probable have the wrong flood story and the bible > >>> needs correcting. > >>> Please correct your bible to Norse mythology. > >>> Not God but Jormungandr the Serpent rose up and flooded everything. > > >>> Christian engineers are ridiculous is that they have to find the > >>> evidence to fit the story instead of the scientific approach of making a > >>> story from the evidence. > > >> Subject: Can Christian Electronic Designers Design? > > >> Can you D from BC? Can you design? > > >> I am gladdened that you are at least looking up something. However, your > >> original post claimed that there was no evidence of a flood and that > >> such a belief was therefore stupid. So, I posted the wikipedia link > >> showing almost all cultures have the same "myth" (which in turn should > >> raise the question as to why they all have the same myth) and I also > >> posted a National Geographic link pointing to direct evidence of a > >> massive flood in at least the region of the mountains of Ararat - which > >> neatly refutes your claim that there is *no* evidence for a flood (there > >> is more evidence but it is more difficult to access and less unequivocal > >> so I left it out) > > >> Isn't it more ridiculous to ignore evidence to fit you beliefs? > > >> ************* > > >> Since these "religious" matters are off topic, but I enjoy the subject, > >> anyone who wants to is welcome to private mail me. > > >> ************* > > >> If anyone is interested in a good bible translation may I suggest the > >> TNIV (Today's New International Translation) as a modern and fairly > >> formal translation or "The Message" translation as an equally modern but > >> less formal translation - The Message was originally published without > >> chapter and verse numbering which make it hard to study with others, so > >> make sure you get a "numbered" or "remix" edition. > > >> (there are so many translations because of the vocabulary of the > >> original texts was about 50,000 words from a least 2 languages over a > >> period of thousands of years, where we have a working vocabulary very > >> much smaller than that and which will hardly change during our > >> lifetimes. A typical bible translation uses a vocabulary 8,000 to 12,000 > >> words. > > >> There are two main approaches to translations of any type of text. These > >> are "word for word" and "thought for thought". Word for word is of > >> course the most literal translation, which can lead to errors in > >> interpretations where as "thought for thought" translations become > >> outdated much more quickly as our use and understanding of language > >> changes. > > >> Of the top of my head I can think of a few examples of "word for word" > >> translation errors. > > >> In an old issue of Chess 64 (a Russian magazine) The Russian word used > >> to describe Bobby Fischer's reaction to a particular event (his loss in > >> his first world championship tournament) is "emotional" - so we all > >> think of upset, tears etc. What the word actually means in the context > >> is "angry". > > >> Another ... > > >> In the WW1 battle of the Verdun, the single road used to supply the city > >> was dubbed by French soldiers as "la voie sacree", literally, but > >> incorrectly translated as "the sacred way". "The sacred way" brings up > >> images of French soldiers, stoically marching forward to the defence of > >> greater France. The correct thought for thought translation of "la voie > >> sacree" is "the way to heaven". The difference dosen't sound like much, > >> but if you consider the massive loss of French lives at Verdun (the > >> entire battle widely considered futile and pointless by the French > >> soldiers), lead directly to an army wide mutiny the correct > >> interpretation becomes clear (just think of a kid asking a French > >> soldier going to Verdun what he was doing - "I am on the way to heaven") > > >> ********** > > >> The Amplified Bible is pretty good too. It tries to use as many words as > >> necessary to bring out the meaning of the original text. It does however > >> murder any poetry and the wordage sometimes makes memorable sections > >> less memorable. > > >> ********** > > >> Last thing before my Sunday "preaching" is done... > > >> We all know how good it feels to successfully create something new - > >> that's feeling is why most of use are in the job. > > >> We are made in the image of God our creator, it is in our nature to create. > > >> (thanks for listening) > > > Yes, but some of us don't do too well with original creations. We just > > make bets on others who have the talent. Ford stock for example moved > > from a low of $1.50 a share to $12 a share in less than a year for a > > gain of almost 800%. Those who thought Ford would be creative won, and > > those who thought Ford was a disaster lost. > > > So, in the modern world, you only need to know who will be creative > > and who will not, to win the game. You don't have to actually create > > anything other than an opinion. > > > -Bill > > What I meant was that people feel joy when they create something - > that's what's similar. Well, people may feel joy in some new invented gadget, but if it has no market value, the joy disappears, even if it works really well. I suppose you need to study the market first, and then create the gadget to satisfy the market, otherwise it's a waste of time, except for maybe your own personal use.. But as to the topic of Christian designers, I think the Jews work harder than Christians and make more progress. They learn from an early age to work hard and get ahead. Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists and others don't do so well. And the Jews are the chosen people, even if they did kill Christ. -Bill
From: David Eather on 28 Jun 2010 23:12 On 29/06/2010 11:46 AM, Bill Bowden wrote: > On Jun 28, 5:31 am, David Eather<eat...(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: >> On 28/06/2010 1:17 PM, Bill Bowden wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Jun 26, 6:10 pm, David Eather<eat...(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: >>>> On 25/06/2010 3:12 PM, D from BC wrote: >> >>>>> In article<SLKdnTQdq9Tgt5HRnZ2dnUVZ_r2dn...(a)giganews.com>, >>>>> eat...(a)tpg.com.au says... >>>>>> And if you think Jews/Christians are trhe only people who think the >>>>>> world was flooded because it was evil, nearly every world culture has >>>>>> the same "myth" >> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth >> >>>>> All the flood stories are different than the God genocide story. >>>>> Which means Christians probable have the wrong flood story and the bible >>>>> needs correcting. >>>>> Please correct your bible to Norse mythology. >>>>> Not God but Jormungandr the Serpent rose up and flooded everything. >> >>>>> Christian engineers are ridiculous is that they have to find the >>>>> evidence to fit the story instead of the scientific approach of making a >>>>> story from the evidence. >> >>>> Subject: Can Christian Electronic Designers Design? >> >>>> Can you D from BC? Can you design? >> >>>> I am gladdened that you are at least looking up something. However, your >>>> original post claimed that there was no evidence of a flood and that >>>> such a belief was therefore stupid. So, I posted the wikipedia link >>>> showing almost all cultures have the same "myth" (which in turn should >>>> raise the question as to why they all have the same myth) and I also >>>> posted a National Geographic link pointing to direct evidence of a >>>> massive flood in at least the region of the mountains of Ararat - which >>>> neatly refutes your claim that there is *no* evidence for a flood (there >>>> is more evidence but it is more difficult to access and less unequivocal >>>> so I left it out) >> >>>> Isn't it more ridiculous to ignore evidence to fit you beliefs? >> >>>> ************* >> >>>> Since these "religious" matters are off topic, but I enjoy the subject, >>>> anyone who wants to is welcome to private mail me. >> >>>> ************* >> >>>> If anyone is interested in a good bible translation may I suggest the >>>> TNIV (Today's New International Translation) as a modern and fairly >>>> formal translation or "The Message" translation as an equally modern but >>>> less formal translation - The Message was originally published without >>>> chapter and verse numbering which make it hard to study with others, so >>>> make sure you get a "numbered" or "remix" edition. >> >>>> (there are so many translations because of the vocabulary of the >>>> original texts was about 50,000 words from a least 2 languages over a >>>> period of thousands of years, where we have a working vocabulary very >>>> much smaller than that and which will hardly change during our >>>> lifetimes. A typical bible translation uses a vocabulary 8,000 to 12,000 >>>> words. >> >>>> There are two main approaches to translations of any type of text. These >>>> are "word for word" and "thought for thought". Word for word is of >>>> course the most literal translation, which can lead to errors in >>>> interpretations where as "thought for thought" translations become >>>> outdated much more quickly as our use and understanding of language >>>> changes. >> >>>> Of the top of my head I can think of a few examples of "word for word" >>>> translation errors. >> >>>> In an old issue of Chess 64 (a Russian magazine) The Russian word used >>>> to describe Bobby Fischer's reaction to a particular event (his loss in >>>> his first world championship tournament) is "emotional" - so we all >>>> think of upset, tears etc. What the word actually means in the context >>>> is "angry". >> >>>> Another ... >> >>>> In the WW1 battle of the Verdun, the single road used to supply the city >>>> was dubbed by French soldiers as "la voie sacree", literally, but >>>> incorrectly translated as "the sacred way". "The sacred way" brings up >>>> images of French soldiers, stoically marching forward to the defence of >>>> greater France. The correct thought for thought translation of "la voie >>>> sacree" is "the way to heaven". The difference dosen't sound like much, >>>> but if you consider the massive loss of French lives at Verdun (the >>>> entire battle widely considered futile and pointless by the French >>>> soldiers), lead directly to an army wide mutiny the correct >>>> interpretation becomes clear (just think of a kid asking a French >>>> soldier going to Verdun what he was doing - "I am on the way to heaven") >> >>>> ********** >> >>>> The Amplified Bible is pretty good too. It tries to use as many words as >>>> necessary to bring out the meaning of the original text. It does however >>>> murder any poetry and the wordage sometimes makes memorable sections >>>> less memorable. >> >>>> ********** >> >>>> Last thing before my Sunday "preaching" is done... >> >>>> We all know how good it feels to successfully create something new - >>>> that's feeling is why most of use are in the job. >> >>>> We are made in the image of God our creator, it is in our nature to create. >> >>>> (thanks for listening) >> >>> Yes, but some of us don't do too well with original creations. We just >>> make bets on others who have the talent. Ford stock for example moved >>> from a low of $1.50 a share to $12 a share in less than a year for a >>> gain of almost 800%. Those who thought Ford would be creative won, and >>> those who thought Ford was a disaster lost. >> >>> So, in the modern world, you only need to know who will be creative >>> and who will not, to win the game. You don't have to actually create >>> anything other than an opinion. >> >>> -Bill >> >> What I meant was that people feel joy when they create something - >> that's what's similar. > > Well, people may feel joy in some new invented gadget, but if it has > no market value, the joy disappears, even if it works really well. I > suppose you need to study the market first, and then create the gadget > to satisfy the market, otherwise it's a waste of time, except for > maybe your own personal use.. That is all I meant > > But as to the topic of Christian designers, I think the Jews work > harder than Christians and make more progress. They learn from an > early age to work hard and get ahead. Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, > Atheists and others don't do so well. With only minor quibbles I agree. > > And the Jews are the chosen people, even if they did kill Christ. The promise to be the chosen people was conditional. The other bit of the sentence is true, but as far as pointing a finger of blame (which has been done just to justify all sorts of bigotry), I don't think any particular group of people would have done any better then, and possibly even now. > > -Bill
From: D from BC on 29 Jun 2010 00:40 In article <RaKdnY9c3_yAOLvRnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > I also > posted a National Geographic link pointing to direct evidence of a > massive flood in at least the region of the mountains of Ararat - which > neatly refutes your claim that there is *no* evidence for a flood (there > is more evidence but it is more difficult to access and less unequivocal > so I left it out) > Christians will be happy in calling a puddle on mount Ararat good evidence for God's magic flood. There are out of 38000 Christian denominations a quantity that take Noah's ark literally instead of allegory. God decides to kill all the ultraviolent people by deploying a watery weapon of mass destruction. Genesis 6-8 ' 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. ' KJV Hey! Those poor animals did nothing wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals There was no freak magic flood from God because: 1 There is no evidence of millions of animals originating from mount Ararat. 2 There is no evidence of how billions of tons of water disappeared. 3 There is no flood evidence in ice core samples. 4 There is no flood evidence on sea floors. (Run off.) 5 There is no flood evidence in tree rings. 6 There is no flood evidence in polar caps. 7 There is no fossil evidence for a God flood. 8 There is no sediment evidence for a God flood. 9 There is no volcanic evidence. (A flood cools magma.) 10 There is no evidence of a disturbance in limestone deposits. 11 There is no evidence of a disturbance in salt deposits. 12 There is no evidence in the disturbance of mineralization in fossils. 13 There is no disturbance in coral growth. 14 There is no evidence of all plant life becoming killed by a flood. 15 There is no evidence of fresh water rain killing off salt water creatures. 16 There is no evidence of a massive thick layer of dead animals + plants with the correct radiometric date. Will list more by request. If God made a mini-flood, then everybody to be killed may have unknowingly lived in a gigantic empty swimming pool. Christian engineers are ridiculous to not know if Noah's Ark is to be taken literally or as allegory. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 29 Jun 2010 17:59 In article <RaKdnY9c3_yAOLvRnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > If anyone is interested in a good bible translation may I suggest the > TNIV (Today's New International Translation) as a modern and fairly > formal translation or "The Message" translation as an equally modern but > less formal translation - The Message was originally published without > chapter and verse numbering which make it hard to study with others, so > make sure you get a "numbered" or "remix" edition. > Deuteronomy 23:1 ?No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the LORD." English Standard Version (�2001) Deuteronomy 23:1 No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the LORD. TNIV Deuteronomy 23:1 is still hilarious in the TNIV. Christian engineers are ridiculous to have a serious bible with laughable content. Seriously, the assembly of the lord wants balls. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: David Eather on 30 Jun 2010 19:58
On 30/06/2010 7:59 AM, D from BC wrote: > In article<RaKdnY9c3_yAOLvRnZ2dnUVZ_jydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> If anyone is interested in a good bible translation may I suggest the >> TNIV (Today's New International Translation) as a modern and fairly >> formal translation or "The Message" translation as an equally modern but >> less formal translation - The Message was originally published without >> chapter and verse numbering which make it hard to study with others, so >> make sure you get a "numbered" or "remix" edition. >> > > > Deuteronomy 23:1 > ?No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall > enter the assembly of the LORD." > English Standard Version (�2001) > > Deuteronomy 23:1 > No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the > assembly of the LORD. > TNIV > > Deuteronomy 23:1 is still hilarious in the TNIV. > > Christian engineers are ridiculous to have a serious bible with > laughable content. > Seriously, the assembly of the lord wants balls. > > If you want to criticise Christianity you will have to read the new testament on which the covenant of Christianity is based. |