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From: D from BC on 1 Jun 2010 03:25 In article <b83rt5d5447d6cgmml76kfu3q057ucko2t(a)4ax.com>, jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > > >God may punish you cause your praying is disrespecting God's > >omnipresence and superior intellect. > > --- > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6&version=KJV > --- Aha.. God is not all powerful. God's weakness is requiring prayer and lots of it! That is a weak God. A better God has no weaknesses. An all powerful God capable of creating complex biology and a universe would have no need for petty things such a prayer. God needs prayer like God needs toilet paper. > > >God does whatever he wants and yields to no human. > >'I wish..I want..I need..' are tools to make God do something. > > --- > No, prayers are a way to thank God for what he's given us and to ask for > what we can't get for ourselves; remission of cancer in someone we love, > for instance. > --- An allpowerful God would be powerful enough to be just fine without all the 'thank you' prayers. An allpowerful God needing a 'thank you' is like a billionaire needing a penny. > > >God is not a puppet operated by prayer. > >God may punish you for disrespecting God's will and disrespecting God's > >plan. > >Nobody controls God and certainly not by any tool such as prayer. > > > >Don't pray..God knows already. > >If you do pray, God might punish you. > >Pray at your own risk. > > --- > You certainly don't seem to be a happy man, what with all the hate and > vitriol you spew, and since you say you don't believe in God it seems to > me that when you find people who _are_ theists and are happy, you try to > shake their faith and tear that happiness away by casting them as fools. > > Why? > > Does misery really love company? > > JF > God is testing to see if people will grow up and evaluate reality based on the scientific evidence. There is pitiful evidence for God. God will be most impressed by those not believing in God. God has left a massive amount of evidence that life evolved and the universe has an age in terms of billions. God knew how to make everything and if people follow the scientific evidence then they get closer to God's knowledge. Getter closer to God's knowledge brings one closer to God. When the knowledge converges and conclusions are that there is probably no God then that is the holiest of times. An all powerful God needs nothing. God doesn't neeed belief, prayer or faith. The greatest respect to an all powerful needing nothing God is to not believe in him. Prayer, faith and God believing are confessions of a weak needy God. You are worshiping a lesser God. A better God is a God that demonstrates full power by needing nothing, not even belief. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: RogerN on 1 Jun 2010 19:00 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.266e55ba2c6b8aff98985d(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <b83rt5d5447d6cgmml76kfu3q057ucko2t(a)4ax.com>, > jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... >> >> >God may punish you cause your praying is disrespecting God's >> >omnipresence and superior intellect. >> >> --- >> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6&version=KJV >> --- > > Aha.. God is not all powerful. > God's weakness is requiring prayer and lots of it! > That is a weak God. > A better God has no weaknesses. > An all powerful God capable of creating complex biology and a universe > would have no need for petty things such a prayer. > God needs prayer like God needs toilet paper. > >> >> >God does whatever he wants and yields to no human. >> >'I wish..I want..I need..' are tools to make God do something. >> >> --- >> No, prayers are a way to thank God for what he's given us and to ask for >> what we can't get for ourselves; remission of cancer in someone we love, >> for instance. >> --- > > An allpowerful God would be powerful enough to be just fine without all > the 'thank you' prayers. > An allpowerful God needing a 'thank you' is like a billionaire needing a > penny. > >> >> >God is not a puppet operated by prayer. >> >God may punish you for disrespecting God's will and disrespecting God's >> >plan. >> >Nobody controls God and certainly not by any tool such as prayer. >> > >> >Don't pray..God knows already. >> >If you do pray, God might punish you. >> >Pray at your own risk. >> >> --- >> You certainly don't seem to be a happy man, what with all the hate and >> vitriol you spew, and since you say you don't believe in God it seems to >> me that when you find people who _are_ theists and are happy, you try to >> shake their faith and tear that happiness away by casting them as fools. >> >> Why? >> >> Does misery really love company? >> >> JF >> > > God is testing to see if people will grow up and evaluate reality based > on the scientific evidence. > There is pitiful evidence for God. > God will be most impressed by those not believing in God. > God has left a massive amount of evidence that life evolved and the > universe has an age in terms of billions. > God knew how to make everything and if people follow the scientific > evidence then they get closer to God's knowledge. > Getter closer to God's knowledge brings one closer to God. > When the knowledge converges and conclusions are that there is probably > no God then that is the holiest of times. > An all powerful God needs nothing. > God doesn't neeed belief, prayer or faith. > The greatest respect to an all powerful needing nothing God is to not > believe in him. > Prayer, faith and God believing are confessions of a weak needy God. > You are worshiping a lesser God. > A better God is a God that demonstrates full power by needing nothing, > not even belief. > > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia I heard a broadcast this morning you might be interested in (probably not since it doesn't support your argument). I've seen you mention the ridiculous story of Jonah and the speaker tells of 2 modern day accounts of people being swallowed by a huge fish and being found alive a couple of days later. http://www.thruthebible.org Daily Broadcast for 6/1/2010. RogerN
From: D from BC on 2 Jun 2010 00:12 In article <XNWdnczdPsypDJjRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > I heard a broadcast this morning you might be interested in (probably not > since it doesn't support your argument). I've seen you mention the > ridiculous story of Jonah and the speaker tells of 2 modern day accounts of > people being swallowed by a huge fish and being found alive a couple of days > later. > > http://www.thruthebible.org Daily Broadcast for 6/1/2010. > > RogerN > > He probably sneaked away from the wife and went to Vegas for drinking, gambling and renting hookers. 'Honestly, I got swallowed by a big fish!' 1st.. ONe needs a fish big enough. The largest fish is the whale shark. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rhtyp_u0_white_bg.gif It's a filter feeder and eats plankton not people. The only area of a fish with gas is the swim bladder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swim_bladder There is no reason for fish to have air in the gastrointestinal tract. Gas in a fish's gastrointestinal tract would interfere with food intake,digestion and buoyancy control. There would be no air for a human to breath after being swallowed. There is no evolutionary reason for fish to have a large air filled space where a human can survive. An airspace in the gastro tract is useless. Diving Bell fish? Jonah and the fish and Noah's arc are the best stories that discredit the bible as a serious book. Christian engineers are ridiculous to defend Noah's arc and Jonah and the fish as true history. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: RogerN on 2 Jun 2010 20:09 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.266f79f49c27d40198985e(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <XNWdnczdPsypDJjRnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, > regor(a)midwest.net says... >> I heard a broadcast this morning you might be interested in (probably not >> since it doesn't support your argument). I've seen you mention the >> ridiculous story of Jonah and the speaker tells of 2 modern day accounts >> of >> people being swallowed by a huge fish and being found alive a couple of >> days >> later. >> >> http://www.thruthebible.org Daily Broadcast for 6/1/2010. >> >> RogerN >> >> > > He probably sneaked away from the wife and went to Vegas for drinking, > gambling and renting hookers. > 'Honestly, I got swallowed by a big fish!' > > 1st.. ONe needs a fish big enough. > The largest fish is the whale shark. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rhtyp_u0_white_bg.gif > It's a filter feeder and eats plankton not people. > > The only area of a fish with gas is the swim bladder. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swim_bladder > There is no reason for fish to have air in the gastrointestinal tract. > Gas in a fish's gastrointestinal tract would interfere with food > intake,digestion and buoyancy control. > There would be no air for a human to breath after being swallowed. > There is no evolutionary reason for fish to have a large air filled > space where a human can survive. An airspace in the gastro tract is > useless. > Diving Bell fish? > > Jonah and the fish and Noah's arc are the best stories that discredit > the bible as a serious book. > > Christian engineers are ridiculous to defend Noah's arc and Jonah and > the fish as true history. > > > > > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia I see your mind is made up and don't bother you with facts! On the broadcast he tells of a couple of modern day incidents, giving names and all, of where a person was swallowed by a fish or whale (not sure if Jonah separates them), and was recovered unconscious inside the fish a couple of days later. How does a filter feeder eat? By opening it's 10ft mouth and swimming, a fish is fast enough to avoid being eaten but a man probably wouldn't be. So if people are known to survive today after 2 days in a fish, why is it so far fetched that someone could have survived 3 days? And if God can raise Jesus from the dead after 3 days, split the sea, and create the universe, how difficult would it be for him to cause Jonah to survive his journey? The entire Atheist argument is that miracles can't happen because they are impossible and there is no God to make them happen and we know there is no God because the actual miracles didn't happen, because there is not God there are no miracles, total circular reasoning. RogerN
From: D from BC on 2 Jun 2010 23:12
In article <Kp6dnT-mRN5Hb5vRnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > I see your mind is made up and don't bother you with facts! On the Physical evidence is more convincing than personal experience evidence. People lie. Physical evidence is harder to falsify. Where is the xray of the fish or whale showing comfy living conditions for a human inside?? > broadcast he tells of a couple of modern day incidents, giving names and > all, of where a person was swallowed by a fish or whale (not sure if Jonah > separates them), and was recovered unconscious inside the fish a couple of Whales and fish do not have large air spaces along their gastrointestinal tract. The Jonah story is effective on people totally ignorant of marine biology and evolution. By evolution, there are no forces on marine creatures to evolve a large gas oxygen void along its gastrointestinal tract. There is no reproductive or survival benefit for a marine creature to have a gigantic oxygen rich balloon within its digestive tract. > days later. How does a filter feeder eat? By opening it's 10ft mouth and > swimming, a fish is fast enough to avoid being eaten but a man probably > wouldn't be. So if people are known to survive today after 2 days in a > fish, why is it so far fetched that someone could have survived 3 days? And There's no air pocket along fish or whale gastrointestinal tracts. A human swallowed without a respirator is dead within 2 minutes by asphyxiation. I'm neglecting death by hypothermia, digestive acid attack, gastro muscle force, water pressure force, dehydration or crushed by tons of other marine prey in an expanding stomach lining. Sperm whales dive to 1.9 miles. A magic fish would work for Jonah. Magic can do anything! Perhaps Jonah lived in a gigantic magic fish fart. > if God can raise Jesus from the dead after 3 days, split the sea, and create > the universe, how difficult would it be for him to cause Jonah to survive > his journey? Magic is bible story duct tape, fixes everything. Magic means there's no explanation. Christian engineers are ridiculous in that they have to believe in a magic fish or a magic whale to make the Jonah story historical fact. > The entire Atheist argument is that miracles can't happen because they are > impossible and there is no God to make them happen and we know there is no An obvious God caused miracle is the occurrence of a zero probability event. Example: A hijacker survived after flying into the WTC. Everything else are probable events with various probabilities and require no God. If you are lucky to get cancer, you maybe lucky to recover. Both are probable events. > God because the actual miracles didn't happen, because there is not God > there are no miracles, total circular reasoning. > > RogerN > The start of the circle is cut off. There is no circle. Atheists reject the claim that God exists. That means all that God does or did is rejected too. God did not make man nipples. God does not want foreskin removal. God does not make miracles. Most atheists reject miracles too because there is no God to make miracles. A very good God proving miracle is the occurrence of a zero probability event. An example of a zero probability event (obvious God proving miracle) are people impervious to Zyklon B gassings in Nazi death camps. -- D from BC British Columbia |