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From: D from BC on 25 Jun 2010 01:12 In article <SLKdnTQdq9Tgt5HRnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > And if you think Jews/Christians are trhe only people who think the > world was flooded because it was evil, nearly every world culture has > the same "myth" > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth > All the flood stories are different than the God genocide story. Which means Christians probable have the wrong flood story and the bible needs correcting. Please correct your bible to Norse mythology. Not God but Jormungandr the Serpent rose up and flooded everything. Christian engineers are ridiculous is that they have to find the evidence to fit the story instead of the scientific approach of making a story from the evidence. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: RogerN on 25 Jun 2010 18:50 "D from BC" <myrealaddress(a)comic.com> wrote in message news:MPG.268dda95e8579feb989871(a)209.197.12.12... > In article <SLKdnTQdq9Tgt5HRnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> And if you think Jews/Christians are trhe only people who think the >> world was flooded because it was evil, nearly every world culture has >> the same "myth" >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth >> > > All the flood stories are different than the God genocide story. > Which means Christians probable have the wrong flood story and the bible > needs correcting. > Please correct your bible to Norse mythology. > Not God but Jormungandr the Serpent rose up and flooded everything. > > Christian engineers are ridiculous is that they have to find the > evidence to fit the story instead of the scientific approach of making a > story from the evidence. > > > > > -- > D from BC > British Columbia But as new evidence emerges the scientific approach is to constantly change the story to fit the evidence. Some day it will agree with what the Bible said all along. The scientific headlines will read "For over 100 years Science was wrong and the Bible was right". RogerN
From: David Eather on 26 Jun 2010 21:10 On 25/06/2010 3:12 PM, D from BC wrote: > In article<SLKdnTQdq9Tgt5HRnZ2dnUVZ_r2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> And if you think Jews/Christians are trhe only people who think the >> world was flooded because it was evil, nearly every world culture has >> the same "myth" >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth >> > > All the flood stories are different than the God genocide story. > Which means Christians probable have the wrong flood story and the bible > needs correcting. > Please correct your bible to Norse mythology. > Not God but Jormungandr the Serpent rose up and flooded everything. > > Christian engineers are ridiculous is that they have to find the > evidence to fit the story instead of the scientific approach of making a > story from the evidence. > > > > Subject: Can Christian Electronic Designers Design? Can you D from BC? Can you design? I am gladdened that you are at least looking up something. However, your original post claimed that there was no evidence of a flood and that such a belief was therefore stupid. So, I posted the wikipedia link showing almost all cultures have the same "myth" (which in turn should raise the question as to why they all have the same myth) and I also posted a National Geographic link pointing to direct evidence of a massive flood in at least the region of the mountains of Ararat - which neatly refutes your claim that there is *no* evidence for a flood (there is more evidence but it is more difficult to access and less unequivocal so I left it out) Isn't it more ridiculous to ignore evidence to fit you beliefs? ************* Since these "religious" matters are off topic, but I enjoy the subject, anyone who wants to is welcome to private mail me. ************* If anyone is interested in a good bible translation may I suggest the TNIV (Today's New International Translation) as a modern and fairly formal translation or "The Message" translation as an equally modern but less formal translation - The Message was originally published without chapter and verse numbering which make it hard to study with others, so make sure you get a "numbered" or "remix" edition. (there are so many translations because of the vocabulary of the original texts was about 50,000 words from a least 2 languages over a period of thousands of years, where we have a working vocabulary very much smaller than that and which will hardly change during our lifetimes. A typical bible translation uses a vocabulary 8,000 to 12,000 words. There are two main approaches to translations of any type of text. These are "word for word" and "thought for thought". Word for word is of course the most literal translation, which can lead to errors in interpretations where as "thought for thought" translations become outdated much more quickly as our use and understanding of language changes. Of the top of my head I can think of a few examples of "word for word" translation errors. In an old issue of Chess 64 (a Russian magazine) The Russian word used to describe Bobby Fischer's reaction to a particular event (his loss in his first world championship tournament) is "emotional" - so we all think of upset, tears etc. What the word actually means in the context is "angry". Another ... In the WW1 battle of the Verdun, the single road used to supply the city was dubbed by French soldiers as "la voie sacree", literally, but incorrectly translated as "the sacred way". "The sacred way" brings up images of French soldiers, stoically marching forward to the defence of greater France. The correct thought for thought translation of "la voie sacree" is "the way to heaven". The difference dosen't sound like much, but if you consider the massive loss of French lives at Verdun (the entire battle widely considered futile and pointless by the French soldiers), lead directly to an army wide mutiny the correct interpretation becomes clear (just think of a kid asking a French soldier going to Verdun what he was doing - "I am on the way to heaven") ********** The Amplified Bible is pretty good too. It tries to use as many words as necessary to bring out the meaning of the original text. It does however murder any poetry and the wordage sometimes makes memorable sections less memorable. ********** Last thing before my Sunday "preaching" is done... We all know how good it feels to successfully create something new - that's feeling is why most of use are in the job. We are made in the image of God our creator, it is in our nature to create. (thanks for listening)
From: Bill Bowden on 27 Jun 2010 23:17 On Jun 26, 6:10 pm, David Eather <eat...(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: > On 25/06/2010 3:12 PM, D from BC wrote: > > > > > In article<SLKdnTQdq9Tgt5HRnZ2dnUVZ_r2dn...(a)giganews.com>, > > eat...(a)tpg.com.au says... > >> And if you think Jews/Christians are trhe only people who think the > >> world was flooded because it was evil, nearly every world culture has > >> the same "myth" > > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth > > > All the flood stories are different than the God genocide story. > > Which means Christians probable have the wrong flood story and the bible > > needs correcting. > > Please correct your bible to Norse mythology. > > Not God but Jormungandr the Serpent rose up and flooded everything. > > > Christian engineers are ridiculous is that they have to find the > > evidence to fit the story instead of the scientific approach of making a > > story from the evidence. > > Subject: Can Christian Electronic Designers Design? > > Can you D from BC? Can you design? > > I am gladdened that you are at least looking up something. However, your > original post claimed that there was no evidence of a flood and that > such a belief was therefore stupid. So, I posted the wikipedia link > showing almost all cultures have the same "myth" (which in turn should > raise the question as to why they all have the same myth) and I also > posted a National Geographic link pointing to direct evidence of a > massive flood in at least the region of the mountains of Ararat - which > neatly refutes your claim that there is *no* evidence for a flood (there > is more evidence but it is more difficult to access and less unequivocal > so I left it out) > > Isn't it more ridiculous to ignore evidence to fit you beliefs? > > ************* > > Since these "religious" matters are off topic, but I enjoy the subject, > anyone who wants to is welcome to private mail me. > > ************* > > If anyone is interested in a good bible translation may I suggest the > TNIV (Today's New International Translation) as a modern and fairly > formal translation or "The Message" translation as an equally modern but > less formal translation - The Message was originally published without > chapter and verse numbering which make it hard to study with others, so > make sure you get a "numbered" or "remix" edition. > > (there are so many translations because of the vocabulary of the > original texts was about 50,000 words from a least 2 languages over a > period of thousands of years, where we have a working vocabulary very > much smaller than that and which will hardly change during our > lifetimes. A typical bible translation uses a vocabulary 8,000 to 12,000 > words. > > There are two main approaches to translations of any type of text. These > are "word for word" and "thought for thought". Word for word is of > course the most literal translation, which can lead to errors in > interpretations where as "thought for thought" translations become > outdated much more quickly as our use and understanding of language > changes. > > Of the top of my head I can think of a few examples of "word for word" > translation errors. > > In an old issue of Chess 64 (a Russian magazine) The Russian word used > to describe Bobby Fischer's reaction to a particular event (his loss in > his first world championship tournament) is "emotional" - so we all > think of upset, tears etc. What the word actually means in the context > is "angry". > > Another ... > > In the WW1 battle of the Verdun, the single road used to supply the city > was dubbed by French soldiers as "la voie sacree", literally, but > incorrectly translated as "the sacred way". "The sacred way" brings up > images of French soldiers, stoically marching forward to the defence of > greater France. The correct thought for thought translation of "la voie > sacree" is "the way to heaven". The difference dosen't sound like much, > but if you consider the massive loss of French lives at Verdun (the > entire battle widely considered futile and pointless by the French > soldiers), lead directly to an army wide mutiny the correct > interpretation becomes clear (just think of a kid asking a French > soldier going to Verdun what he was doing - "I am on the way to heaven") > > ********** > > The Amplified Bible is pretty good too. It tries to use as many words as > necessary to bring out the meaning of the original text. It does however > murder any poetry and the wordage sometimes makes memorable sections > less memorable. > > ********** > > Last thing before my Sunday "preaching" is done... > > We all know how good it feels to successfully create something new - > that's feeling is why most of use are in the job. > > We are made in the image of God our creator, it is in our nature to create. > > (thanks for listening) Yes, but some of us don't do too well with original creations. We just make bets on others who have the talent. Ford stock for example moved from a low of $1.50 a share to $12 a share in less than a year for a gain of almost 800%. Those who thought Ford would be creative won, and those who thought Ford was a disaster lost. So, in the modern world, you only need to know who will be creative and who will not, to win the game. You don't have to actually create anything other than an opinion. -Bill
From: David Eather on 28 Jun 2010 08:31
On 28/06/2010 1:17 PM, Bill Bowden wrote: > On Jun 26, 6:10 pm, David Eather<eat...(a)tpg.com.au> wrote: >> On 25/06/2010 3:12 PM, D from BC wrote: >> >> >> >>> In article<SLKdnTQdq9Tgt5HRnZ2dnUVZ_r2dn...(a)giganews.com>, >>> eat...(a)tpg.com.au says... >>>> And if you think Jews/Christians are trhe only people who think the >>>> world was flooded because it was evil, nearly every world culture has >>>> the same "myth" >> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deluge_myth >> >>> All the flood stories are different than the God genocide story. >>> Which means Christians probable have the wrong flood story and the bible >>> needs correcting. >>> Please correct your bible to Norse mythology. >>> Not God but Jormungandr the Serpent rose up and flooded everything. >> >>> Christian engineers are ridiculous is that they have to find the >>> evidence to fit the story instead of the scientific approach of making a >>> story from the evidence. >> >> Subject: Can Christian Electronic Designers Design? >> >> Can you D from BC? Can you design? >> >> I am gladdened that you are at least looking up something. However, your >> original post claimed that there was no evidence of a flood and that >> such a belief was therefore stupid. So, I posted the wikipedia link >> showing almost all cultures have the same "myth" (which in turn should >> raise the question as to why they all have the same myth) and I also >> posted a National Geographic link pointing to direct evidence of a >> massive flood in at least the region of the mountains of Ararat - which >> neatly refutes your claim that there is *no* evidence for a flood (there >> is more evidence but it is more difficult to access and less unequivocal >> so I left it out) >> >> Isn't it more ridiculous to ignore evidence to fit you beliefs? >> >> ************* >> >> Since these "religious" matters are off topic, but I enjoy the subject, >> anyone who wants to is welcome to private mail me. >> >> ************* >> >> If anyone is interested in a good bible translation may I suggest the >> TNIV (Today's New International Translation) as a modern and fairly >> formal translation or "The Message" translation as an equally modern but >> less formal translation - The Message was originally published without >> chapter and verse numbering which make it hard to study with others, so >> make sure you get a "numbered" or "remix" edition. >> >> (there are so many translations because of the vocabulary of the >> original texts was about 50,000 words from a least 2 languages over a >> period of thousands of years, where we have a working vocabulary very >> much smaller than that and which will hardly change during our >> lifetimes. A typical bible translation uses a vocabulary 8,000 to 12,000 >> words. >> >> There are two main approaches to translations of any type of text. These >> are "word for word" and "thought for thought". Word for word is of >> course the most literal translation, which can lead to errors in >> interpretations where as "thought for thought" translations become >> outdated much more quickly as our use and understanding of language >> changes. >> >> Of the top of my head I can think of a few examples of "word for word" >> translation errors. >> >> In an old issue of Chess 64 (a Russian magazine) The Russian word used >> to describe Bobby Fischer's reaction to a particular event (his loss in >> his first world championship tournament) is "emotional" - so we all >> think of upset, tears etc. What the word actually means in the context >> is "angry". >> >> Another ... >> >> In the WW1 battle of the Verdun, the single road used to supply the city >> was dubbed by French soldiers as "la voie sacree", literally, but >> incorrectly translated as "the sacred way". "The sacred way" brings up >> images of French soldiers, stoically marching forward to the defence of >> greater France. The correct thought for thought translation of "la voie >> sacree" is "the way to heaven". The difference dosen't sound like much, >> but if you consider the massive loss of French lives at Verdun (the >> entire battle widely considered futile and pointless by the French >> soldiers), lead directly to an army wide mutiny the correct >> interpretation becomes clear (just think of a kid asking a French >> soldier going to Verdun what he was doing - "I am on the way to heaven") >> >> ********** >> >> The Amplified Bible is pretty good too. It tries to use as many words as >> necessary to bring out the meaning of the original text. It does however >> murder any poetry and the wordage sometimes makes memorable sections >> less memorable. >> >> ********** >> >> Last thing before my Sunday "preaching" is done... >> >> We all know how good it feels to successfully create something new - >> that's feeling is why most of use are in the job. >> >> We are made in the image of God our creator, it is in our nature to create. >> >> (thanks for listening) > > Yes, but some of us don't do too well with original creations. We just > make bets on others who have the talent. Ford stock for example moved > from a low of $1.50 a share to $12 a share in less than a year for a > gain of almost 800%. Those who thought Ford would be creative won, and > those who thought Ford was a disaster lost. > > So, in the modern world, you only need to know who will be creative > and who will not, to win the game. You don't have to actually create > anything other than an opinion. > > -Bill What I meant was that people feel joy when they create something - that's what's similar. |