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From: D from BC on 28 May 2010 02:51 In article <z6ydndqvJNf0YWPWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > Where do you get 38000 denominations from? > 'Note: This is not a complete list, but aims to provide a comprehensible overview of the diversity among denominations of Christianity. As there are reported to be approximately 38,000 Christian denominations' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations Physics is generally true. See airplanes and gravity. Physics is a group of related concepts proven to be true. A group of demonstrated accurate knowledge generally does not create denominations. There's no such thing as Roman Physics, Protestant Physics, Calvinist Physics, Lutheran Physics.... That's ridiculous. Whatever language, whatever culture, whatever religion... physics is always to same to all people all over the planet. Physics does that to people because physics is practical, testable and backed by evidence. Something not very true creates denominations, splits and schisms. Religion is division. When you make your definition for God, you might not be speaking for 38000 Christian denominations. It's much easier to define ohms law than to define God. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 28 May 2010 15:23 In article <b83rt5d5447d6cgmml76kfu3q057ucko2t(a)4ax.com>, jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > >> >Praying is an admission that you don't believe God is omniscient. > > --- > Nope, it's an admission that you can't get what you want by yourself and > you're asking for help. > --- Praying is the Christian reaction to helplessness. God is omniscient and knows when there's helplessness. Praying due to helplessness is superfluous when omniscient and omnipresent God knows there's helplessness. Praying is a denial of God's omnipresence. Praying is picking up the God phone. The call is superfluous. God is in front of you.. (May not be applicable to all 38000 Christian denominations.) Prayer is like phoning 911 while you're in the ambulance. > > >> >An omniscient God is fully aware of your situation and can figure out > >> >what you'd pray. Even if you resisted praying, God would know what you'd > >> >pray. > > --- > Nope. If God's omnipresence isn't functional then praying to God is like calling God and asking to enter the prayer lottery. Prayer and lottery tickets share the same outcomes. A: You win is the same as a prayer materializing. B: You lose is the same as the prayer not materializing. There's win or lose outcomes. But Christianity cleans up the negativity of the loss outcome by using the assumption that God always does good. It can be good when God doesn't make a prayer materialize. The assumption is God always does good (omni benevolence). The assumption is God has good reasons(the hyperintelligent management of the universe for humans). The prayer/lottery outcome is now converted to a win-win outcome. Your prayer has not materialized because God is doing good. Even if your kids die from _____, God is doing good. You don't gain confidence in God if you don't blame prayer for positive outcomes and disregard the negative outcomes. A lottery motto is... you don't win if you don't play the game. The motto for Christianity... you don't strengthen the God belief if you don't play the prayer game. > > By giving us free will, God has released us from being automatons and > has allowed us to choose which way we choose to live our lives and which > favors we ask for. > --- You are using free will to pray to a God with free will. God is not an automaton and therefore prayer will have erratic outcomes like random lottery numbers. If God was an automaton, then prayers would automatically materialize. The ineffectiveness of prayer creates evidence that God is capricious like a lottery machine. > > >> Since, having given us free will, God won't know what we'll do from > >> instant to instant, that knowledge won't be available to a totally > >> omniscient entity. > > > >YOu made a contradiction. > >If there is an exception to God's omniscience then God is not > >omniscient. > > --- > Not true, since in _choosing_ not to be omniscient God still rules. > --- God is choosing not to be omniscient??? Then God is not omniscient. God has lost one of his all powerful properties. Awww... Therefore omniscience should not be used in the definition of God. > > >Free will does not have special power over God's omniscience. > > --- > No, but God does. > --- > > >There's nothing more powerful than God. > > --- > Indeed. > --- > You claim that prayer is required due to God's decision not to be omniscient. God decides not to be omniscient to allow human free will. If God decides not to be omniscient, then God is not omniscient. (A typical definition of God is God is omniscient.) When God decides to utilize less power then God is deciding not to be all powerful. You have defined a God that is potentially all powerful. A potentially all powerful god is not the same as all powerful god. You got God driving with the hand brake on. Christian engineers are ridiculous to enter the prayer lottery offered by a God who's omniscience and omnipresence is powerless to anticipate and process prayers before they happen. iows.. God isn't proactive. God waits for the phone call. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: David Eather on 29 May 2010 19:00 On 28/05/2010 4:51 PM, D from BC wrote: > In article<z6ydndqvJNf0YWPWnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >>> From an atheist perspective, defining something that doesn't exist is >>> ironic and hilarious. >>> Are you going to pray to God for a definition of God? >>> >>> >> >> Now, you see the above insults are just gratuitous and at times you have >> been even nastier. > > Prayer is not an insult. > It's a good idea to pray to God for a definition of God. > It's worth a try if you want to hear it from the source. > Prayer is a hotline call/request to God > This call/request needs to be done because God doesn't work > automatically. > An automatic God not requiring prayer (by omnipresence and omniscience) > would violate human free will. > (Ignore all the times God intervened in the bible.) > Ex: God would not stop a car from hitting you unless you prayed. > YOu would be incapable of praying if you didn't see the car coming. > In that case, God would not stop the car and you would get hit. > > You might be able to put God in automatic mode with this prayer. > 'Please God figure out all my future prayers and please grant them so > that I don't have to pray anymore.' > You are now released from prayer! It's the ultimate consolation and > prayer time saver. > > Since God doesn't do unconditional good (God is prayer dependent) then > God is not omnibenevolent. > God is not omnibenevolent due to letting evil and bad things happen when > there are missing prayers. > Ex: 'Did the doctor pray. No?! Then it's his fault he died from cancer. > He didn't pray!' > >> >> But we really should cut to the >> > > Somebody must have prayed that you get cut off. > > Christian engineers are ridiculous is believing in an all good God that > hasn't done anything fantastically good since scripture. > Ex: Teleporting the 9-11 hijackers into jail would have been nice. > I'm sure some kid prayed to keep America safe and that should have been > enough for God. > > I have some other things I have to do for the next couple of days - Just letting you know I haven't snubbed or forgotten you.
From: D from BC on 30 May 2010 03:00 In article <47qdnRDBlfiIyp3RnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d(a)earthlink.com>, regor(a)midwest.net says... > > With 38000 Christian denominations, there's probably going to be some > > differences about where God is and isn't. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_death > > '...completely removed from the presence of God both physically and > > spiritually.. > > God has created a non-God zone. > > Which makes God's omnipresence questionable. > > At least once you claimed there were 3,800 denominations, one of them is > 34,000 demoninations off, but that's pretty accurate for an Atheist! :-) > 1 Christian denomination is still too many. 'As there are reported to be approximately 38,000 Christian denominations,... ' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations Christian engineers get extra ridiculous when church shopping. McDonald's restaurants are more standardized than Christianity. There's no Mennonite McDonald's. There's no Evangelical McDonald's. There's no Methodist McDonald's. At each McDonald's you can get a Big Mac. At a church, you might not get a Holy Trinity. At a church, you might get atheists burning in hell. Presenting The New McDonald's McJesus Burger. The great thing about the McJesus Burger is that it's fresh again after 3 days. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 31 May 2010 01:01
In article <b83rt5d5447d6cgmml76kfu3q057ucko2t(a)4ax.com>, jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > >If free will blocks God's omniscience then God is not all powerful and > >not omniscient. > > --- > If God chooses to allow free will to block His omniscience then why > isn't He all powerful? > --- God is not all powerful. Prayer by Christians is more powerful than God. It's prayer that unleashes God's power like a match starting a fire. Therefore Christians use prayer like a tv remote control to control God. When Christians don't pray for something then God won't do it otherwise God will be interfering with free will. Nobody prays for the return of small pox therefore God is under Christian control and won't make small pox...again. > > >> However, since God exists outside of time, He can know the > >> _consequences_ of our actions, all the way to the end, as we walk our > >> serpentine trails. > >> --- God exists outside of time, matter, space and dimension. Those are typical characteristics of something that doesn't exist. Unicorns are also outside time, matter, space and dimension. My lost watch can also be found outside time, matter, space and dimension. It's not impressive anymore when something is outside time, matter, space or dimension. > > > >There is no reason to pray. > > --- > Sure there is. From: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer > > "Prayer is a form of religious practice that seeks to activate a > volitional connection to some greater power in the universe through > deliberate practice" > --- Those are reasons why people pray. Those are not reasons why an all powerful God needs prayers. If God is not prayer dependent, then prayer is superfluous. If God is prayer dependent, then God is under Christian control. God NEEDS a push(prayer) or else God refuses to do a miracle. God is on a request basis to not interfere with human free will. No prayer = God goes dumb and doesn't do good. > > >God is fully aware of everything and can figure out what you'd pray. > > --- > Then we don't have free will. > --- Atheists have more free will than Christians. Christians have a free will reducer called prayer. Christians cannot chose to be free of praying. Christians free of praying are considered less Christian. Christians have to pray to God otherwise God might not do anything good on his own. > > >God is fully aware of your needs/wants/desires/wishes. > > --- > http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6&version=KJV > --- > > >Your praying is like calling God stupid. > > --- > No, it's like calling God. > --- > Universal Prayer for any Situation 'Please God you know what to do. Just do it. Amen ' Get Prayer Free to Save Time 'Oh please God make me free of prayer by figuring out and materializing all the future prayers I would have made as if I still needed to pray. Amen.' You'll have no need for a National Prayer Day. Christian engineers are ridiculous in praying over and over and over again. I suppose the repetition maintains the extraordinary belief in a invisible quasihuman sky daddy. -- D from BC British Columbia |