Can Christian Electronic Designers Design?
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From: D from BC on 24 May 2010 00:36 In article <4ftqt5h11t9dnndt2l2t38lldhaktmja0n(a)4ax.com>, jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > That stems from the idea of 'you get what you deserve' or fair justice > >served or the crime fits the punishment. > > --- > You've got it backwards, I think, since it's based on that once the > rules have been written and you understand them, regardless of whether > you agree with them or not, the punishment for transgression fits the > crime. > --- > > >Some people want killers killed. > > --- > An eye for an eye. > Is that a bad thing? > --- Thou shall not kill? Punishment by death with death is hypocritical. You have not explained the purpose of a death penalty as a punishment that fits the crime. The majority of civilized nations do not have a death penalty. IN the Old Test, God often wants death as a punishment. > > >Some people want rapists tortured. > > --- > Pain and terror inflicted for pain and terror inflicted. > Is that a bad thing? > --- You have not explained the purpose of torturing rapists as punishment that fits the crime. Ex. Thumbscrews, the rack, whipping, beating. Punishment by trauma for trauma is hypocritical. > > >Some people spank their kids for bad behavior. > > --- > And Rome allowed Christ to be spanked to death for daring to question > the edicts of the day. Was that a good thing? > --- YOu have not explained when spanking kids is a punishment that fits a crime. > > >All you got is a single book called the bible. > > --- > Nonsense. > > Those of us who believe that a power exists which is higher than we are > search for guidance in all of the sacred texts. > --- Your sacred text(goofy bible) contains God's rules to a people that required ridiculously extreme punishment, usually death. Death for adultery. Leviticus 20:10 Death to gays. Leviticus 20:13 Death for hitting a parent. Exodus 21:15 Death for working on the Sabbath. Exodus 31:15 The bible is a good source of crappy ex-rules/laws that are shocking today. God's good word then, useless word now? If so, the bible now contains irrelevant content. Useless rules in the bible can be considered irrelevant content. Irrelevant content in the bible implies an imperfect/obsolete bible. The bible contains God junk. (God tells Moses the rules/laws.) The bible contains God's scrap yard of rules no longer in effect. Christian engineers are ridiculous to think that God has a very good reason to make death a common punishment for breaking many of God's rules. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 26 May 2010 13:37 In article <-b2dnToiQpEyk2DWnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > I wonder how would you go with an apologetics based argument? > Apologetics: The fine art of sculpturing manure. It might look like a work of art but it's still poop. Poop flows downhill. AT the top of the hill, the poop begins with God. There are no good reasons as to why there is a God. Christian engineers are ridiculous to have a bible so poorly written that it needs clean up by apologists. Apologists are like bible janitors. 'Clean up on isle 20:12' -- D from BC British Columbia
From: D from BC on 27 May 2010 00:57 In article <4ftqt5h11t9dnndt2l2t38lldhaktmja0n(a)4ax.com>, jfields(a)austininstruments.com says... > >'....where they will be punished for sin and permanently separated from > >God after the general resurrection and last judgment.' > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell As per Catholic, Protestant, Baptist, Episcopalian, Greek Orthodox, one of the actions in hell is the permanent separation from God. That contradicts God's omnipresence. God is not omnipresent due to hell. God is everywhere but hell. > > > >Christian engineers are ridiculous in that their good behavior might be > >disingenuous. They might be only good for the afterlife doggie biscuit. > > --- > If it makes them happy to believe in an afterlife and they follow the > rules which describe the behavior required to get there, why would you > belittle them and try to make them as miserable as you are? > JF Christians are happy with Christian beliefs like a heroin addict is happy on heroin. Christians and heroin addicts are both happy on junk. The way Christianity creates happiness is by exploiting human instincts. Christianity exploits the human survival instinct and exploits the instinct to follow authority. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment Obey Big Boss invisible God (happy happy) and you'll have your brain contents transfered after death (happy happy). There are more genuine ways to be happy. -- D from BC British Columbia
From: David Eather on 27 May 2010 09:13 On 27/05/2010 3:37 AM, D from BC wrote: > In article<-b2dnToiQpEyk2DWnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... >> I wonder how would you go with an apologetics based argument? >> > > Apologetics: The fine art of sculpturing manure. > It might look like a work of art but it's still poop. > > Poop flows downhill. > AT the top of the hill, the poop begins with God. > There are no good reasons as to why there is a God. > > > Christian engineers are ridiculous to have a bible so poorly written > that it needs clean up by apologists. > Apologists are like bible janitors. > 'Clean up on isle 20:12' > > No. Apologetics is a rational examination of evidence. You posed the question of if Christians could design and many Christian engineers replied to you, proving that they could indeed design. But that wasn't enough for you. You then had to rant and rave with arguments "backed up" by poor translations, misinterpretations, "straw man" arguments and a very biased view. But every time you got nailed, you didn't acknowledge the point, and instead simply changed subject/point of attack. (Who would be so stupid as to take something from an old testament historical book and claim it to be proof of an evil or bad God - when if you actually read the thing you would understand that what it highlighted was the very human tendency to do "evil" and dress it up as good) If you just wanted to be so hate-filled and bigoted why not just post your rant as the monologue you wanted? Now are you up to an apologetics argument or not?
From: D from BC on 27 May 2010 15:43
In article <pe6dnbk4LbR98mPWnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > > On 27/05/2010 3:37 AM, D from BC wrote: > > In article<-b2dnToiQpEyk2DWnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, > > eather(a)tpg.com.au says... > >> I wonder how would you go with an apologetics based argument? > >> > > > > Apologetics: The fine art of sculpturing manure. > > It might look like a work of art but it's still poop. > > > > Poop flows downhill. > > AT the top of the hill, the poop begins with God. > > There are no good reasons as to why there is a God. > > > > > > Christian engineers are ridiculous to have a bible so poorly written > > that it needs clean up by apologists. > > Apologists are like bible janitors. > > 'Clean up on isle 20:12' > > > > > > No. Apologetics is a rational examination of evidence. People can be rational and can examine things. However, Christian apologetics using the pitiful evidence for God and claiming alleged successful defenses are only successful at creating confirmation bias. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias It's like leprechaun apologetics are the rational examination of the evidence for leprechauns. Any rational used no matter how lame gives the impression that leprechauns are more true. Example: You can't disprove leprechauns so it must be true. Apologetics is the fine art of making something out of nothing. It's very Christian in that it's creationistic. If required, apologetics can be used to strengthen the belief in tooth fairies. > > You posed the question of if Christians could design and many Christian > engineers replied to you, proving that they could indeed design. Christian engineers typically apply logic and reason in electronics. When Christian engineers believe as fact and true that Noah's arc and Jonah in the fish are true and God is real... their logic and reason becomes dubious, questionable and inconsistent. What spoils the logic and reason of Christian engineers is having no good reasons as to why to believe there's a God. Christian engineers are still clowns to believe there's an invisible sky daddy that requires human brains to think Jesus thoughts otherwise he'll soul teleport you to an agonizing painful burning torturous hell to infinity. God loves human soul garborators. > > But that wasn't enough for you. You then had to rant and rave with > arguments "backed up" by poor translations, misinterpretations, "straw > man" arguments and a very biased view. But every time you got nailed, > you didn't acknowledge the point, and instead simply changed Can you cut and paste an example. > subject/point of attack. (Who would be so stupid as to take something > from an old testament historical book and claim it to be proof of an The old testament is a history of how ridiculous God is to people. Example: Binding of Isaac. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_of_isaac > evil or bad God - when if you actually read the thing you would > understand that what it highlighted was the very human tendency to do > "evil" and dress it up as good) Does that explain why God tells Moses silly rules such as death to those that work on the Sabbath? Exodus 31:15 > > If you just wanted to be so hate-filled and bigoted why not just post > your rant as the monologue you wanted? Atheists and skeptics that reject the ridiculous claims of Christianity (ex: Earth flood) are often considered hate-filled and bigoted by Christians. Which is more hateful. Your wife is ugly and your kids are ridiculous. Or... Your God is ugly (especially in Old Test.) and your bible stories are ridiculous (Noah's arc). > > Now are you up to an apologetics argument or not? What's your best reasons as to why there is a God. But first... You have to define God. The definition of God might differ among 38000 Christian denominations. From an atheist perspective, defining something that doesn't exist is ironic and hilarious. Are you going to pray to God for a definition of God? -- D from BC British Columbia |