Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 21:41 On Jun 20, 4:01 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >> > On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >> >> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >> >>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of > >> >>>>> time, you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. > >> >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >> >>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and > >> >>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and > >> >>>> we'll point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on our > >> >>>> inability to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? Pray > >> >>>> for us...otherwise..tough... > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the > >> >>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it > >> >>>> right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is > >> >>>> neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells > >> >>>> one it is right. > >> >>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>>> - Show quoted text - > >> >>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own praying. > >> >>> Robert B. Winn > >> >> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does > >> >> something... > > >> > Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what > >> > this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was > >> > pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. > >> > Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the > >> > world. > > >> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your beliefs > >> and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a ridiculous > >> aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted text - > > > So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? > > If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? > > Robert B. Winn > > Can you name those schools? It which specific class would that be taught? > What is an atheist school and how is it designated, by some type of charter > or corporate document? > > -- > Later, > Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com > > Webpage Sorceryhttp://webpagesorcery.com > We Put the Magic in Your Webpages- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - All public education in the United States is now atheistic. Robert B. Winn
From: hhyapster on 20 Jun 2008 22:20 On Jun 21, 6:55 am, Antares 531 <gordonlrDEL...(a)swbell.net> wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:45:40 +1200, BuddyThunder > > > > <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >Antares 531 wrote: > >> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:21:10 +0100, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> > >> wrote: > > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>news:81b43f22-3a29-4b8e-b9f2-819f09384aa1(a)u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com... > > >>>> I do not get flattered by atheists. If you do not believe in God, > >>>> prove it. Find something else to talk about. > >>>> Robert B. Winn > >>> I can certainly prove to you that I do not believe in God. > > >> I'm sure yours was a fully volitional choice, made possible by reason > >> of the evidence being quite well balanced to support a decision in > >> either direction. You weren't overwhelmed and forced to knuckle under, > >> as would certainly have been the situation had there been rock solid > >> objective evidence that you could not overwhelm. > > >I certainly hope that was the case too. > > >> I still don't understand how life could have started, spontaneously, > >> and why there was such a flourish of what seems to have been a very > >> well orchestrated explosion of life forms during the Cambrian period, > >> unless there was an intelligent designer in control. Gordon > > >I don't know how life started either, but for me to conclude that God > >must have dunnit would just be intellectually lazy. The cambrian > >explosion was well-orchestrated? In what way? > > It was well orchestrated in that it moved very rapidly, without > faltering, in terms of geological/evolutionary time, and it produced > the necessary end results quite effectively, then quit, or slowed the > pace remarkably. > > I understand your position on the God or chance set of questions, but > I just can't resolve the chance side of this argument. It would be > somewhat like saying that it is statistically possible for a tornado > to sweep through a pine forest, snap off a bunch of logs, then > assemble them into a log cabin. I just don't think it has ever > happened, and if someone tried to convince me that it had, I'd be a > hard headed skeptic. > > As to being intellectually lazy, I think this is the prudent > description of those who refuse or decline to look into the available > information and try to build reinforcement for believing in God. Of > course we're back to that, "It can't be objectively proven." barrier, > but this also applies to spontaneous creation of life. > > Be that as it may, quantum physics provides us with a lot of insights > into things that seem amazingly congruent with the idea of God's > existence. Quantum entanglements or something very similar could > provide means for the mind of God, on a cosmic scale. Super String - > Membrane Theory (SSM Theory) posits a multiverse consisting of the > perceivable universe and other space/time universes, much in harmony > with the Bible's information on the levels of Heaven. > > When Jesus did those "miracles" mentioned in the Bible, was he really > doing miracles outside the natural laws of the multiverse, or was he > manipulating things back and forth between some of those other > universes? If indeed He was the creator of this multiverse, it seems > that he could have means for unrolling those other dimensions a bit > such that they were actively associated with this perceivable > universe. Maybe that is what He did when he appeared to be walking on > water. Could He have been walking down a solid path "street of gold" > in the first level of Heaven, but with the dimensions unrolled to > somewhat more than a Planck length, such that he was visible to the > men in the boat? Gordon You are a very confused person. Let say we buy what you have said. But let get back to reality: Human have not been benefiting from a god since 2000+years, but have been suffering from your god's anger that produce all the calamities. Apparently you have not been one of the victims in all the disaster events, otherwise you may shout:"Why me....?" Why don't you travel to Africa and be with those dying people, then ask:"Why....." Or are you suggesting they deserve it or that your god has its own reason? If so, let you be transform into one of them......
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 01:20 mitch.nicolas.raemsch(a)gmail.com wrote: > Science cannot explain a rainbow. After all how do the refracting > raindrops form an arc or a circle from the sky? > > It can't be explained. That is evidence for God. Of course it can be explained. Nothing magical about rainbows. They are pretty though. Hur, pretty. I like pretty.
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 01:21 Alex W. wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:485c2855$1(a)clear.net.nz... > > >> Please don't mention cricket, I'm a Kiwi. >> > > Ah, an Aussie with manners! > Good on yer. > :-) Cheers mate! > > >> You're right though, Marmite is actually the best reason to believe in God >> that I've seen. Greases axles and puts hairs on your chest! > > Marmite, WD40 and gaffer tape -- what more does a man need? Just a shed to chuck it all in.
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 01:23
Smiler wrote: > "BuddyThunder" <nospam(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote in message > news:485c2855$1(a)clear.net.nz... >> Alex W. wrote: >>> "Free Lunch" <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message >>> news:e1cj549ar4tpoi7d34brkf5fku9tp0up1a(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:50:50 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote >>>> in alt.atheism: >>>> >>> >>>>> I don't need to imagine Marmite. I eat it every day. God's food. >>>>> Puts >>>>> hair on your chest. >>>> Is God evil in your pantheon? >>> Au contraire -- Marmite and its colonial variant Vegemite are signs of >>> divine favour! It's heaven-sent manna to sustain the British Empire on >>> its manifest destiny of carrying the white man's burden. A slice of >>> toast with Marmite and a cup of Yorkshire Gold Blend tea for breakfast >>> give us the strength to go forth and bring the blessings of civilisation >>> and cricket to the benighted peoples of the world. With Marmite in our >>> bellies, we fear nothing, even ugly native mobs armed with bananas or >>> loganberries! >> Please don't mention cricket, I'm a Kiwi. >> >> You're right though, Marmite is actually the best reason to believe in God >> that I've seen. Greases axles and puts hairs on your chest! > > Even if you're a woman..... :-) ESPECIALLY if you're a woman. We like our women hairy down here. What am I saying?... |