Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Darrell Stec on 20 Jun 2008 19:01 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >> >>>> rbwinn wrote: >> >>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of >> >>>>> time, you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. >> >>>>> Robert B. Winn >> >>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and >> >>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and >> >>>> we'll point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on our >> >>>> inability to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? Pray >> >>>> for us...otherwise..tough... >> >>>> -- >> >>>> “Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the >> >>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it >> >>>> right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is >> >>>> neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells >> >>>> one it is right.” >> >>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own praying. >> >>> Robert B. Winn >> >> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does >> >> something... >> >> > Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what >> > this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was >> > pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. >> > Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the >> > world. >> >> That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your beliefs >> and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a ridiculous >> aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted text - >> > > So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? > If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? > Robert B. Winn Can you name those schools? It which specific class would that be taught? What is an atheist school and how is it designated, by some type of charter or corporate document? -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Darrell Stec on 20 Jun 2008 19:11 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 3:15 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 19, 8:34�am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> > wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 18, 3:54�pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> Right now, just about every reader on these newsgroups is convinced >> >> you are nothing but a liar and cannot defend your absurd statements by >> >> providing evidence. >> >> >> > Well, I >> >> > could not remember Andrew and Thaddeus when I tried to think of >> >> > them. What do we do now? >> >> >> Read your bible and tell us the names of the twelve apostles (which >> >> you claim, not I). �Why are you avoiding answering this very easy >> >> question? �Is it because you actually know you cannot reliably number >> >> them even using the bible? �Is it because you actually know you cannot >> >> reliably name them even using the bible? >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> > Well, I have seen atheists gert worked up about this before. What >> > difference does it make to an atheist? I thought you did not believe >> > in the apostles. So why are you so worried about what their names >> > were? >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Just to demonstrate that you are a liar and cannot name them. You are >> wrong about the number and wrong about the fact you can name them. Being >> an atheist has nothing to do about investigating the contents of a work >> of literature, fiction, that has been handed down through the millenia. >> I don't have to believe any events in The Lord of Rings to actually >> discuss the contents of the trilogy while at the same time I can >> challenge someone who might assert that Gandalf wore a robe of purple and >> pink where the story does not provide evidence of it. >> >> Using your logic, nobody would study any literature that was a work of >> fiction if they did not believe the contents were true and if they >> believed that evidence could not be provided to back up the stories. You >> do know that both private and public schools require studying the >> fictional stories of Shakesphere, don't you? >> >> -- > Yes, and I know atheists require study of Harry Potter. That does not > mean I think it is a good thing. Why do you lie so constantly and consistently? What school teaches a required course on the Harry Potter stories? > What I do notice about the Bible is > that from what exists today, the Bible seems historically accurate, > whereas, some other accounts of history such as Sennacherib's account > of the Assyrian invasion of Judea seem inaccurate and self-serving. You have failed to tell us how you arrive at that absurd synopsis. > Then we have the kind of atheistic ideas that you continually expound, > but have no proof are true. It is my opinion that anti-Christ agendas > are always based on false information. You are neither intelligent enough or learned enough to arrive at that conclusion. You only get there through your own ignorance. > Robert B. Winn -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: mitch.nicolas.raemsch on 20 Jun 2008 19:12 Science cannot explain a rainbow. After all how do the refracting raindrops form an arc or a circle from the sky? It can't be explained. That is evidence for God. Mitch Raemsch
From: Darrell Stec on 20 Jun 2008 19:18 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 3:29 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 19, 8:36 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> > wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 18, 11:45 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > On Jun 18, 12:13�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:87b0e53d-5a57-49b1-b3d0-a331560793fb(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >>> On Jun 17, 10:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> >> >>>>news:d6db0a86-413e-4057-a2cf-40363e9b8a34(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >>>>> Well some people might not be convinced by your video >> >> >> >>>>> footage. There are many people who believe that the Apollo >> >> >> >>>>> moon landings were faked. Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >>>> It's not my fault if other people have mental health problems >> >> >> >>>> or are gullible enough to swallow any wild- assed claim they >> >> >> >>>> come across. Anyway, if my video footage is insufficient >> >> >> >>>> evidence, what makes your 2,000 >> >> >> >>>> year old book o' blood and that silly Mormon bible more >> >> >> >>>> convincing? >> >> >> >>> Well, you atheists did not do very well with regard to the >> >> >> >>> Assyrian invasion of Judea. >> >> >> >> I can assure you we had absolutely nothing to do with it. >> >> >> >> >>> The Bible seems to have its facts a lot straighter >> >> >> >>> than you atheists do. >> >> >> >> There are very few facts in the bible at all. >> >> >> >> It is a magic story based around real (and sometimes non- >> >> >> >> existent ) locations. >> >> >> >> >>> Was there some other specific thing that you >> >> >> >>> atheists wanted to discuss? >> >> >> >> How about your inability to differentiate fantasy from reality? >> >> >> >> > I think I do fairly well. Hezekiah's tunnel is real. The >> >> >> > earthen ramp over the city wall at Lachish is real. Harry Potter >> >> >> > is not real. >> >> >> >> Ah, but London is! Is the Bible? It may be, we haven't refuted >> >> >> anything yet. But your logic is not supportive of your claims.- >> >> >> Hide quoted text - >> >> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > I actually know a man from London, England. I make doors and window >> >> > frames for him sometimes. He soes not believe in Harry Potter >> >> > either. Robert B. Winn >> >> >> What is his name and address? I think you are lying. >> >> >> -- >> > His name is Stuart Dowling, and he lives in Maricopa, Arizona. >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> Hmmmmmm. No official documents exist for a Stuart Dowling in Maricopa, >> AZ. No lawsuits, no traffic tickets, no street address, no telephone >> number, nothing. You are lying again. I doubt you know anybody that >> does not believe the Harry Potter books exist or does not believe London >> exists. >> >> -- > Well, I will tell Stuart that you do not believe he exists. He will > get a kick out of that one. > Robert B. Winn He will get a bigger kick out of the fact that you think he does not believe London exists nor the Harry Potter books exist. But I think you are making up the name. -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages
From: Darrell Stec on 20 Jun 2008 19:22
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 3:35 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >> > On Jun 19, 8:22 am, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> > wrote: >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> > On Jun 18, 3:50 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> > On Jun 18, 10:11�am, Darrell Stec >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> rbwinn wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Jun 17, 2:53�am, Darrell Stec >> >> >> >> > <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Well, I analyzed the Bible. �What I find is that God would >> >> >> >> >> > not want His children to die and just cease to be or to be >> >> >> >> >> > punished forever, so He sent his Son to overcome death. >> >> >> >> >> > �Because of wickedness, we see today that most people will >> >> >> >> >> > reject God's gift of eternal life. Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> >> >> Let me ask you a question. �Who would know more about LDS >> >> >> >> >> theology, one of the churches twelve apostles, or a Hari >> >> >> >> >> Krishna monk> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> > Who do you think would know more about LDS theology? �Why do >> >> >> >> > you ask? Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> >> Evasion noted. �Why are you afraid to answer a couple of easy >> >> >> >> questions? Why do you think I would ask? �Could it be the answer >> >> >> >> might be obvious? >> >> >> >> > Well, if the answer is obvious, then there was no reason to ask >> >> >> > the question. Go ahead and say whatever you were going to say. >> >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> >> Why are you afraid to tell us whether or not one of the 12 apostles >> >> >> of the Mormon church would know more about LDS theology than an >> >> >> Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of? I know the answer, but >> >> >> I don't know if you do and that is why I am asking. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Later, >> >> >> Darrell Stec dars...(a)neo.rr.com >> >> >> > Well, why don't you just make up your own mind about that? >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> >> >> I already have made an informed and knowledgeable opinion. I am >> >> trying to find out what you believe (asking what you think would be >> >> unfair because you are shooting without bullets) to be the case. Why >> >> are you afraid to answer the question? Is it because it has never >> >> been discussed in bible school and you have nothing to copy and paste? >> >> Go ask your bishop what he thinks, as you allow others to think for >> >> you until you pull stupid things out of thin air. >> >> >> -- >> > Well, why don't you ask my bishop yourself? >> >> What is his name, email address, physical address and phone number and I >> will ask him. I'll also send him a list of your more insane postings. >> >> > I told you athiests >> > before that I was not going to be your researcher. >> >> What research do you need to do to answer a question as to whether an >> apostle of your church's council of twelve would know more about LDS >> philosophy than a Hari Krishna monk? That is a person opinion. Or do >> you mean that nobody told you what to think in regard to the question so >> you can't copy and paste it? >> >> > If you want to know what I believe,I can give you name to the >> > missionaries as a referral , and they can tell you what I beleive. >> >> Why can't you give us your opinion yourself? Why are you having so many >> problems answering an easy question? What are you afraid of? >> >> > Robert B. Winn >> > Well, the General Authorities of our church have counseled us to avoid > contention with other churches. So if you have some bone to pick with > the Hare Kirshna church, leave me out of it. > Robert B. Winn Why are you avoiding the question? Why is it so difficult for you to answer the question? It is a simple one. Whom do you think knows more about LDS theology, one of the twelve apostles making up the council of the LDS church or a Hari Krishna monk? What are you afraid of. Certainly there is no injunction in your church against answering the question. Why are you avoiding it? -- Later, Darrell Stec darstec(a)neo.rr.com Webpage Sorcery http://webpagesorcery.com We Put the Magic in Your Webpages |