Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 07:03 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 3:25 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 18, 11:45 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jun 18, 12:13�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:87b0e53d-5a57-49b1-b3d0-a331560793fb(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 10:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:d6db0a86-413e-4057-a2cf-40363e9b8a34(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>> Well some people might not be convinced by your video footage. There >>>>>>>>> are many people who believe that the Apollo moon landings were faked. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> It's not my fault if other people have mental health problems or are >>>>>>>> gullible enough to swallow any wild- assed claim they come across. >>>>>>>> Anyway, if my video footage is insufficient evidence, what makes your >>>>>>>> 2,000 >>>>>>>> year old book o' blood and that silly Mormon bible more convincing? >>>>>>> Well, you atheists did not do very well with regard to the Assyrian >>>>>>> invasion of Judea. >>>>>> I can assure you we had absolutely nothing to do with it. >>>>>>> The Bible seems to have its facts a lot straighter >>>>>>> than you atheists do. >>>>>> There are very few facts in the bible at all. >>>>>> It is a magic story based around real (and sometimes non- existent ) >>>>>> locations. >>>>>>> Was there some other specific thing that you >>>>>>> atheists wanted to discuss? >>>>>> How about your inability to differentiate fantasy from reality? >>>>> I think I do fairly well. Hezekiah's tunnel is real. The earthen >>>>> ramp over the city wall at Lachish is real. Harry Potter is not real. >>>> Ah, but London is! Is the Bible? It may be, we haven't refuted anything >>>> yet. But your logic is not supportive of your claims.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I actually know a man from London, England. I make doors and window >>> frames for him sometimes. He soes not believe in Harry Potter either. >> Then how can you logically deny that London even exists?!- Hide quoted text - >> > Actually Harry Potter is what does not exist. I know this will come > as a shock to the atheist community. It's your logic, you defend it!
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 07:08 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 3:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 19, 12:02 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >>> I do not care what you believe. �You need to decide for yourself. �I >>> have only met one atheist who converted to Christianity in my life. >>> She said she was staying in a hotel and started reading the scriptures >>> that were in the hotel dresser drawer. >> I was an athiest who converted to Christianity, I was in the fold for >> five years or so. I know that I didn't prove to be a "troo chrischun", >> but I didn't know that at the time. >> >> Okay, fine. I guess my unbelief has survived another brush with >> religion. :-) > > > Well, no, you were an atheist doing undercover surveillance work for > your fellow atheists. Um.... yeah.... that was it. Who's making the scones for the next conspiracy meeting? Dude, take the tinfoil hat off. :-)
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 07:13 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 3:39 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 19, 12:02�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>>> Says the believer in a magic sky fairy that magically inseminated a virgin >>>>>>>>>> so that she could magically remain a virgin and magically produce his magic >>>>>>>>>> son who went on to do magic tricks, like magically turning water into wine, >>>>>>>>>> magically walking on water and and magically feeding 5000 people with the >>>>>>>>>> scantest of supplies. This magic son, although supposedly dead, magically >>>>>>>>>> came back to life and then magically disappeared. All evidence, outside of >>>>>>>>>> the of the only book supposedly describing these magical happenings, >>>>>>>>>> magically disappeared. This believer apparently also believes that a magic >>>>>>>>>> angel magically came to earth with a magic set of golden disks and gave them >>>>>>>>>> to a well known fraudster to magically translate into English and then, >>>>>>>>>> magically, the disks disappeared. This believer also talks to the magic sky >>>>>>>>>> beings to magically get them to work their magic in his favour. Does he also >>>>>>>>>> wear magic underwear...curious minds and all that. >>>>>>>>>> And I haven't even started on the OT, yet. >>>>>>>>>> Smiler, >>>>>>>>>> The godless one >>>>>>>>>> a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> You haven't started on anything. >>>>>>>> This is a scant rebuttal. How is he wrong?- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>> I did not spend any great amount of time studying his statement. �As >>>>>>> far as I could tell there was nothing true in it. >>>>>> This seems to read like "I don't like it, so I won't accept/believe it". >>>>>> What specifically rings false about it? I'd like to know how you assess >>>>>> statements for truth.- Hide quoted text - >>>>>> - Show quoted text - >>>>> The entire thing was false as far as I could tell. �What was there in >>>>> it that you thought was true? >>>> Your religion believes that Jesus was born of a virgin? Jesus reportedly >>>> turned water into wine.... There are no known natural mechanisms by >>>> which these things could happen, hence the characterisation as magic. >>>> Should I go on? >>>> You haven't been able to tell me how you assay for truth, maybe you >>>> don't know yourself? There's no shame in that, a lot of people don't >>>> think about these things.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> I do not worry about mysteries like that. Whatever their explanation, >>> they will not save any souls. The atonement of Christ is what >>> Christians need to understand. >> What if your religious leaders are lying to you? Maybe it's not >> deliberate, maybe they're just deluded. Could you tell? >> >> I would feel totally unarmed to make sensible decisions about the world >> without a rational and questioning nature.- Hide quoted text - >> > > Well, no doubt it is difficult for you. It certainly can be, but not as difficult as having to deal with religious-thinking as well.
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 07:14 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 3:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 19, 12:06�am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>> <snip> >>>>> Well, what you are saying is that the Biblical account of the Assyrian >>>>> invasion of Judea is fiction. �What part of it do you claim is >>>>> fiction? �So far we have discussed the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's >>>>> tunnel. �Are you still claiming that those are fiction? >>>> You're still claiming London doesn't exist, huh? >>>> I don't know either account, so really don't have an opinion. Have you >>>> considered that maybe neither account is accurate? If pressed, I would >>>> go with the explanation with the best evidential support. I don't have a >>>> reason to decide at this point. >>>> Happy to be agnostic on something! >>> OK, well, my opinion is that unless an atheist has an opinion about >>> Hezekiah's tunnel and the earthen ramp, it is a waste of time to try >>> to discuss the Bible with that person. >> Wow, why would you say that? It's a minor Biblical detail. >> >> They exist, is that opinion enough?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, any person who will not admit that someing exists which can be > seen is not going to admit the existence of things which cannot be > seen. So conversation with atheists is totally unprofitable. No-one *ever* denied their existence. If they did, then you have consistently denied that London exists too. All we demand is logical consistency. Would you like to talk about Harry Potter again? ;-)
From: BuddyThunder on 21 Jun 2008 07:18
rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 3:58 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 19, 7:48�am, Ye Old One <use...(a)mcsuk.net> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:56:42 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >>>> enriched this group when s/he wrote: >>>>> On Jun 18, 6:01?pm, Free Lunch <lu...(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:29:16 -0700 (PDT), "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA >>>>>> Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in alt.atheism: >>>>>>> On Jun 19, 8:19 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Jun 18, 12:10 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> You say all this on the basis of absolutely no evidence. >>>>>>>> OK, so once again you are saying that the earthen ramp and Hezekiah's >>>>>>>> tunnel do not exist because there is no evidence of the Assyrian >>>>>>>> invasion of Judea. ?Well, what about the pillar in Ninevah with >>>>>>>> Sennacherib's account? ?Are you saying that does not exist also? >>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>> Do you ever stay on topic? ?Have you finished accusing people of >>>>>>> saying things they didn't? >>>>>> Isn't it amazing how completely dishonest he is in his reading of what >>>>>> others say? >>>>> The topic was the Assyrian invasion of Judea. �An atheist said there >>>>> was absolutely no evidence of this topic. >>>> Who? When? >>>>> I was saying there was. >>>> But little of it matches up with the characters of the fictionalized >>>> biblical version. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> -- >>>> Bob.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> The Biblical version is obviously the true one. >> Obviously how?- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > Well, I have gone through that several times, so I see no reason to do > it again. It seems you just pick the account that best accords with your religion's doctrines. |