Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 20 Jun 2008 21:04 "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:6c27loF3eu0epU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message > news:FtD6k.80306$1B6.35348(a)newsfe21.ams2... >> >> "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:6bvlrtF3d3pboU1(a)mid.individual.net... > > >> The best cider I ever tasted was from a pub in Kent almost 50 years ago. >> There was a barrel on the bar, covered in a damp towel to keep it cool. >> The liquid was dark brown and cloudy, but tasted like sweet apple nectar. >> A half pint of that was enought to make my youthful self quite merry ;-). >> You can't buy stuff like that today, as it was unpasteurised. The nearest >> I've had since was in a quayside pub in Polperro, Cornwall in 1976. I >> went back a couple of years later, but they'd stopped selling it. > > You can still buy it, but not in a pub. Farmers in the West Country will > still sell homebrew if you ask nicely and don't look like a ministry > inspector ... > > >> >>>>> >>>>> Farmer's markets sometimes have a stall selling real ale and other >>>>> such liquids. Might be worth a look .... >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not the one's round E17. >>>> Sometime the 'French' market has a stall selling French apple juice and >>>> cider, but no beer or ale at any I've been to. >>> >>> E17? >>> Ye gods .... I had to go look that up, it's so far out. >>> :-) >>> >> >> You must live in one of the London toilets (WC1 or WC2). > > Let me put it this way: as far as I am concerned, anything North of Hyde > park is suspiciously close to Watford Gap which, as everybody knows, is > the official gateway to the Midlands with its pits of grimy doom like > Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool, Accrington Stanley or <gasp with > horror> Newcastle. Watford Gap. Have you ever heard Roy Harper's song about that place? I've heard that you need to show your passport if you try to pass that place :-) Which Newcastle are you talking about? Under Lyme or Upon Tyne. Far worse than either of those two places is Anglesey Island, the boil on the arsehole of Britain. Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 21:05 On Jun 20, 3:22 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 18, 6:23 pm, Darrell Stec <darrell_s...(a)webpagesorcery.com> > > wrote: > >> Steve O wrote: > > >>> "asilentskeptic" <asilentskep...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > >>>news:0cd8677a-e3af-4244-9680-0f635809616d(a)i18g2000prn.googlegroups.com.... > >>>> On Jun 18, 12:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>news:c44cff96-90ef-45f4-badc-413fcf95321e(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com.... > > >>>>>> On Jun 17, 10:41�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:f8121cc3-37c1-4561-b7cc-b6292578b7f1(a)34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... > >>>>>>>> All atheists I talk to indicate to me that if they do not have a > >>>>>>>> written record of something, then it did not exist, and if the > >>>>>>>> written > >>>>>>>> record is the Bible, then it still did not exist. > >>>>>>> Liar. > >>>>>>> We have simply told you on many occasions that the magical events > >>>>>>> which > >>>>>>> were > >>>>>>> supposed to have taken place in your Bible are uncorroborated by any > >>>>>>> other > >>>>>>> source. > >>>>>>> Meanwhile, all you can do is bleat about ramps and conduits, which > >>>>>>> offer > >>>>>>> no > >>>>>>> proof at all that the supposed magical events actually happened, or > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> main characters depicted in the book actually existed. > >>>>>>> You are either incapable of listening, or unwilling to listen. > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Hey, you atheists thought Harry Potter was going to make the tunnels > >>>>>> and ramps disappear. > >>>>> We did no such thing. > >>>>> You simply offered that as a straw man argument to disguise your weak > >>>>> position. > >>>> I was going to keep up a discussion with the guy, but he either > >>>> doesn't grasp what you are saying, misinterprets what you said, or > >>>> goes off on some completely strange tangent that has no basis (or some > >>>> strange mind-warping basis) in what he is replying to. Not worth the > >>>> time or the effort. > >>> I had him pegged as a Loki, but Loki atheists don't normally insult other > >>> atheists directly while they're trying to make theists look stupid. > >> He is definitely a theist, a Mormon in fact who has had mental problems > >> (still does) and is now off his meds. > > >> -- > > Well, I know a great deal more about it than you do.  What you refer > > to as meds is a drug called torazine which causes people to feel as > > though they are smothering 24 hours a day.  Atheists want laws passed > > requiring that any person who will not accept atheism to be given this > > drug or some similar tranquilizer.  I was fortunate to have such > > severe side effects from the drug that people in medical science after > > observing that I could not walk for a few months would become > > concerned and stop giving me the drug, not because they had any > > concern for me, but because they were worried they might get sued for > > malpractice.  By that time I had learned to never discuss anything > > with psychiatrists except malpractice lawyers. > > I am sorry for your illness, mental health should never be taken for > granted. > > But why beat up that strawman demonisation of atheists, what has it done > to you?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There was no illness. I was in good health. The only problem I had was that I was put subject to atheistic administration by the signatures of two medical doctors and a judge. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 21:14 On Jun 20, 3:24 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 18, 11:42 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 18, 4:45 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:21d2e037-7498-4d49-bb95-5a308e107d58(a)j33g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > >>>>> On Jun 18, 12:14 pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:c44cff96-90ef-45f4-badc-413fcf95321e(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>> On Jun 17, 10:41�am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>>>news:f8121cc3-37c1-4561-b7cc-b6292578b7f1(a)34g2000hsf.googlegroups..com... > >>>>>>>>> All atheists I talk to indicate to me that if they do not have a > >>>>>>>>> written record of something, then it did not exist, and if the > >>>>>>>>> written > >>>>>>>>> record is the Bible, then it still did not exist. > >>>>>>>> Liar. > >>>>>>>> We have simply told you on many occasions that the magical events > >>>>>>>> which > >>>>>>>> were > >>>>>>>> supposed to have taken place in your Bible are uncorroborated by any > >>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>> source. > >>>>>>>> Meanwhile, all you can do is bleat about ramps and conduits, which > >>>>>>>> offer > >>>>>>>> no > >>>>>>>> proof at all that the supposed magical events actually happened, or > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> main characters depicted in the book actually existed. > >>>>>>>> You are either incapable of listening, or unwilling to listen. > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Hey, you atheists thought Harry Potter was going to make the tunnels > >>>>>>> and ramps disappear. > >>>>>> We did no such thing. > >>>>>> You simply offered that as a straw man argument to disguise your weak > >>>>>> position. > >>>>> I was not arguing about anything.  If you atheists want to believe in > >>>>> Harry Potter, go ahead and believe in him.  I just said that there was > >>>>> a tunnel between Gihon spring and the Pool of Siloam, exactly the way > >>>>> three books of the Old Testament say there is, and there is an earthen > >>>>> ramp over the city wall at the ruins of Lachish.  You want to be cute > >>>>> about it, so go ahead and be cute. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> Now explain why the existence of this tunnel and ramp and the fact that they > >>>> are mentioned in the bible is evidence that the rest of the magic story is > >>>> real. > >>> So what you would have me believe is that there are only two things > >>> mentioned in the Bible that are real, an earthen ramp and a conduit > >>> for water.  I think that there are other things mentioned in the Bible > >>> that are real. > >> I'm sure there are other things that are true in the Bible, but they > >> require independent verification before we'll know. > > >> As you well know, London exists just as decribed in Harry Potter, but > >> that's no reason to accept flying broomsticks. Flying broomsticks would > >> require independent evidence. We don't have any. So there's no > >> compelling reason to believe in it. > > >> Jerusalem exists, just as described in the Bible, but that's no reason > >> to accept a six-literal-day creation. A six day creation would require > >> independent evidence. We don't have any. We have overwhelming evidence > >> for an old earth. So there's no compelling reason to believe in a young > >> earth.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, you atheists insist on relativity of time except in one > > circumstance, the creation of the earth.  When it comes to dinosaurs, > > you insist on absolute time, just like Isaac Newton. > > You think that a 6000 year old planet that looks 4.5 billion years old > can be accounted for by the theory of relativity? Could you explain the > mechanism in layman's terms? I'm not an expert.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Well, as I said, you atheists do not want relativity of time applied to this particular thing, which the Bible does in more than one place. There are two definitions of time at the present, only one of which scientists will discuss, what they call local time or scientific time. This is defined by a certain number of transition of a cesium isotope molecule. Then Einstein's theory shows that if a cesium isotope molecule is moving relative to another cesium isotope molecule, then the time of its transitions will be slower than the transitions of the molecule that is not moving. So time is relative, except when scientists are talking about dinosaurs or the time of the planet earth. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 21:15 On Jun 20, 3:25 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 18, 11:45 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 18, 12:13�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:87b0e53d-5a57-49b1-b3d0-a331560793fb(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > >>>>> On Jun 17, 10:37 am, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:d6db0a86-413e-4057-a2cf-40363e9b8a34(a)a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>> Well some people might not be convinced by your video footage. There > >>>>>>> are many people who believe that the Apollo moon landings were faked. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> It's not my fault if other people have mental health problems or are > >>>>>> gullible enough to swallow any wild- assed claim they come across. > >>>>>> Anyway, if my video footage is insufficient evidence, what makes your > >>>>>> 2,000 > >>>>>> year old book o' blood and that silly Mormon bible more convincing? > >>>>> Well, you atheists did not do very well with regard to the Assyrian > >>>>> invasion of Judea. > >>>> I can assure you we had absolutely nothing to do with it. > >>>>> The Bible seems to have its facts a lot straighter > >>>>> than you atheists do. > >>>> There are very few facts in the bible at all. > >>>> It is a magic story based around real (and sometimes non- existent ) > >>>> locations. > >>>>> Was there some other specific thing that you > >>>>> atheists wanted to discuss? > >>>> How about your inability to differentiate fantasy from reality? > >>> I think I do fairly well.  Hezekiah's tunnel is real.  The earthen > >>> ramp over the city wall at Lachish is real.  Harry Potter is not real. > >> Ah, but London is! Is the Bible? It may be, we haven't refuted anything > >> yet. But your logic is not supportive of your claims.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > I actually know a man from London, England.  I make doors and window > > frames for him sometimes.  He soes not believe in Harry Potter either. > > Then how can you logically deny that London even exists?!- Hide quoted text - > Actually Harry Potter is what does not exist. I know this will come as a shock to the atheist community. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 21:21
On Jun 20, 3:37�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 19, 12:02 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > > I do not care what you believe. �You need to decide for yourself. �I > > have only met one atheist who converted to Christianity in my life. > > She said she was staying in a hotel and started reading the scriptures > > that were in the hotel dresser drawer. > > I was an athiest who converted to Christianity, I was in the fold for > five years or so. I know that I didn't prove to be a "troo chrischun", > but I didn't know that at the time. > > Okay, fine. I guess my unbelief has survived another brush with > religion. :-) Well, no, you were an atheist doing undercover surveillance work for your fellow atheists. Robert B. Winn |