Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: BuddyThunder on 20 Jun 2008 17:40 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of time, >>>>> you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. >>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and >>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and we'll >>>> point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on our inability >>>> to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? Pray for >>>> us...otherwise..tough... >>>> -- >>>> �Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the >>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it >>>> right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is >>>> neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one >>>> it is right.� >>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own praying. >>> Robert B. Winn >> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does >> something... >> > Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what > this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was > pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. > Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the > world. That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your beliefs and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a ridiculous aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!
From: BuddyThunder on 20 Jun 2008 17:45 Antares 531 wrote: > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:21:10 +0100, "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> > wrote: > >> >> "rbwinn" <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote in message >> news:81b43f22-3a29-4b8e-b9f2-819f09384aa1(a)u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com... >> >>> I do not get flattered by atheists. If you do not believe in God, >>> prove it. Find something else to talk about. >>> Robert B. Winn >> I can certainly prove to you that I do not believe in God. >> > I'm sure yours was a fully volitional choice, made possible by reason > of the evidence being quite well balanced to support a decision in > either direction. You weren't overwhelmed and forced to knuckle under, > as would certainly have been the situation had there been rock solid > objective evidence that you could not overwhelm. I certainly hope that was the case too. > I still don't understand how life could have started, spontaneously, > and why there was such a flourish of what seems to have been a very > well orchestrated explosion of life forms during the Cambrian period, > unless there was an intelligent designer in control. Gordon I don't know how life started either, but for me to conclude that God must have dunnit would just be intellectually lazy. The cambrian explosion was well-orchestrated? In what way?
From: BuddyThunder on 20 Jun 2008 17:55 rbwinn wrote: > On Jun 18, 11:17�pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jun 18, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> The tunnel, in an historical context 'could be called a fake'? >>>>>> The ramp in an historical context 'could be called a fake'? >>>>> That is correct, and in fact an atheist a few years back did claim >>>>> that Hezekiah's tunnel was a hoax. � But we have to look at the world >>>>> today and consider, who would move the amount of dirt in the ramp or >>>>> dig a tunnel just to perpetrate a hoax? �The Biblical account is the >>>>> correct one. >>>> Did you find one? A tunnel-denier?! I'd LOVE to see the post!! I think >>>> I'd frame the freakin' thing! >>>> Your conclusion is faulty. It MIGHT be right, but it likely isn't.- Hide quoted text - >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> Well, it is not faulty. �Where are you going to find people today who >>> would make a ramp or a tunnel without being paid a lot of money? >>> Back then, they were working pretty much without pay. >> Can you produce that post? I really would love to see it, it might quell >> those cries of "liar!" for a bit. :-) >> >> Not sure what point you're making about the sites. Can you expand on it?- Hide quoted text - >> > > Some atheist a couple of years ago claimed that Hezekiah's tunnel was > a hoax perpetrated by Jerusalem tour guides. Some Christian claimed that they could read my future by hovering their hands over me. She was wrong. So what? Atheists are capable of being just as wrong as Christians, just not as often! ;-)
From: rbwinn on 20 Jun 2008 17:59 On Jun 20, 2:40 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jun 20, 5:34 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jun 19, 5:55 am, TT <tte...(a)wowway.com> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> Well, go ahead and talk about God, but I can tell you ahead of time, > >>>>> you do not know anything about God. No atheist does. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> nahh...we'll discus what we want...you choose your fiction..and > >>>> that's all you have been expressing faith in..nothing else...and we'll > >>>> point out our fiction...and we won't base a worldview on our inability > >>>> to deal with reality like you do....Don't like it? Pray for > >>>> us...otherwise..tough... > >>>> -- > >>>> Cowardice asks the question, 'Is it safe?' Expediency asks the > >>>> question, 'Is it politic?' But conscience asks the question, 'Is it > >>>> right?' And there comes a time when one must take a position that is > >>>> neither safe, nor politic, nor popular but because conscience tells one > >>>> it is right. > >>>> Martin Luther king Jr.- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> Well, people would do better if they learned to do their own praying. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Thinking is preferred by everyone else here..it actually does > >> something... > > > Well, so you think that you can destroy Christianity. That was what > > this conversation was about when it began. That was why I was > > pointing out that the Bible was the best selling book in the world. > > Not so, said atheists. Harry Potter is the best selling book in the > > world. > > That's a bit melodramatic, isn't it? I'm just interested in your beliefs > and how they're rationalised. Destroying Christianity is a ridiculous > aspiration, you'd constantly be disappointed!- Hide quoted text - > So why do atheists have schools teaching that Christianity is false? If they do not have the aspiration, why are they trying to do it? Robert B. Winn
From: BuddyThunder on 20 Jun 2008 17:59
Alex W. wrote: > "Free Lunch" <lunch(a)nofreelunch.us> wrote in message > news:e1cj549ar4tpoi7d34brkf5fku9tp0up1a(a)4ax.com... >> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:50:50 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote >> in alt.atheism: >> > > >>> I don't need to imagine Marmite. I eat it every day. God's food. Puts >>> hair on your chest. >> Is God evil in your pantheon? > > Au contraire -- Marmite and its colonial variant Vegemite are signs of > divine favour! It's heaven-sent manna to sustain the British Empire on its > manifest destiny of carrying the white man's burden. A slice of toast with > Marmite and a cup of Yorkshire Gold Blend tea for breakfast give us the > strength to go forth and bring the blessings of civilisation and cricket to > the benighted peoples of the world. With Marmite in our bellies, we fear > nothing, even ugly native mobs armed with bananas or loganberries! Please don't mention cricket, I'm a Kiwi. You're right though, Marmite is actually the best reason to believe in God that I've seen. Greases axles and puts hairs on your chest! |