Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: DanielSan on 16 Jul 2008 23:55 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 16, 6:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... >>>>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has >>>>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry >>>>>>>>>>> Potter. >>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact >>>>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have >>>>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. >>>>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least. >>>>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. >>>>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. >>>>>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. >>>>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible >>>>>>>> Sheep exist today >>>>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Steve O >>>>>>> Well, no, Steve O. Here is an example. Atheists were claiming that >>>>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the >>>>>>> Bible. So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? These atheists had >>>>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. So after they looked it up, they >>>>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be >>>>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go >>>>>>> to wizard's school. >>>>>> The original assertion remains in force. Hezekiah's Tunnel does not >>>>>> prove anything. >>>>>>> I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the >>>>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's >>>>>>> tunnel. Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel >>>>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a >>>>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. >>>>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists. >>>>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? >>>>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of >>>>> King's Cross Station. >>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? >>>> -- >>> Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings >>> Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to >>> the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. >> ....I see. So, since the Harry Potter books do not detail the >> construction of King's Cross Station, it's not a correct analogy? >> >> Okay, fine. In one of the Harry Potter books, the head of the Ministry >> of Magic visits the new Prime Minister of England and informs him of the >> fight against the Dark Lord. >> >> Since this Harry Potter book describes the Prime Minister of England at >> the time that he got into office and, since it coincided with Tony Blair >> getting into office, that means that Harry Potter is true? >> >> -- >> ****************************************************** >> * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * > > Well, if you want to believe in Harry Potter, I am sure you will find > a way to do it. No, see, that's what you're NOT getting. I don't believe in Harry Potter. Harry Potter is fantasy. It's not real. And the events therein have just as much evidence as the Bible has. That is: None. -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: Stan-O on 17 Jul 2008 06:37 On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:30:25 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >> >Well, choose for yourself what you like or dislike. ?It means nothing >> >to me. ?If you or any other atheist decides to discuss the tunnel, >> >come back and do it some time without trying to change the subject to >> >Harry Potter. >> >> Making a comparison between two pieces of literature is hardly >> changing the subject. > >So you think the Bible is like a Harry Potter book. What is the point >of discussing it further with you then? Does this mean you're going to stop posting in alt.atheism?
From: Stan-O on 17 Jul 2008 06:39 On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:31:50 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >On Jul 16, 2:04?pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:29:26 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> Stalin was a Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic... >> >> >Josef Stalin said he was an atheist. ?So atheists of today claim he >> >was lying about that? >> >Why did he try to end the Russian Orthodox Church if he believed in >> >it? >> >> You'd have to understand Russian culture - they love to have tyrants >> as rulers, regardless of what their philosophical beliefs are. > >Well, Stalin told people that he was an atheist. Why is it that you >are now trying to portray him as a Russian Orthodox? Because politicians lie all the time.
From: The Loan Arranger on 17 Jul 2008 07:11 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an >>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins >>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. >>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is >>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. >>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 >>> million people. >> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will >> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). >> >> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the >> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. >> >> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who >> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that >> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. >> >> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that >> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in >> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that >> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or >> away from religion. >> >> TLA > > So was this John Towland an atheist? I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of Hitler. > Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not > believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate your humanity. TLA
From: rbwinn on 17 Jul 2008 08:16
On Jul 16, 7:23 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > On Jul 17, 12:02 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 15, 12:57 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > On Jul 15, 3:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 14, 8:30�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > >news:66e61aa9-559f-4671-a2ea-6bc1905bebe9(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups..com... > > > > > On Jul 13, 6:28?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:fc9d57b1-a5d8-4dea-b10c-2de186d77c39(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:43?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:43c4adf8-d379-4a72-815c-bc35c1c84eaf(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 5:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > >news:6ebcae55-3c20-4ea3-960e-25f802c31860(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 8:51?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > >news:1b629e70-db18-4208-a3da-4381dcebabb4(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 8:45?pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There were some atheists who said Harry Potter went on the train > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > London to wizard's school. > > > > > > > > > > > And once again, child, you have confused fiction with reality... > > > > > > > > > > Harry Potter is fiction. ?The woman who wrote the books said it was > > > > > > > > > fiction. ?I know this may come as a shock to atheists. > > > > > > > > > =================================== > > > > > > > > > > The bible is also fiction. We don't even know who wrote it. > > > > > > > > > I know this may come as a shock to christians. > > > > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > > > > No, Smiler, the Bible tells about the construction of Hezekiah's > > > > > > > > tunnel. ? Didn't we discuss this before. > > > > > > > > ================================ > > > > > > > > And the Harry Potter books tell us about Kings Cross station and > > > > > > > > London. > > > > > > > > Both the Harry Potter books and the bible are fiction. > > > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > > If you want to believe that the Bible is fiction, it seems to me that > > > > > > > you are free to believe that the Bible is fiction. ?I will tell you > > > > > > > what. ?Why don't you decide for yourself what you believe, and I will > > > > > > > decide for myself what I believe? ?Does this seem unfair to you? > > > > > > > ============================================== > > > > > > > Not unfair if you keep your stupid beliefs out of a.a. > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > The godless one > > > > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > As I said, take sci.physics and sci.physics relativity out of the > > > > > > header. > > > > > > ==================================== > > > > > > That won't stop your stupid comments from appearing in a.a., will it. > > > > > > You take a.a. out of your header. > > > > > > Think about it, Smiler. �I am not going to go to alt.atheism. �I have > > > > > no interest in atheists. > > > > > ============================ > > > > > Then why do your lying posts appear in a.a., LIAR? > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > The godless one > > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Because you have not yet taken sci.physics and sci.physics relativity > > > > out of the header. > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > To remove your posts from alt.atheism, you would need to take a.a out > > > of your headers.  Us changing ours isn't going to change yours. > > > Are you going to stop lying soon? > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Well, you atheists were the ones who barged into sci.physics and > > sci.physics.relativity.  As I said before, I do not go to > > alt.atheism. > > Robert B. Winn > > Wrong.  Mitch the two time Boggo award winning idiot started the cross > posting, if I remember correctly.  I place him in your camp.  Then you > waded into that discussion that was already cross-posted, while it was > discussing biblical accuracy based on sales figures.  It had nothing > to do with physics, even though Mitch, the semi-christian idiot > somehow thought it did. > And no-one "goes to" a newsgroup.  But by replying to messages in this > topic with the alt.atheism tags still intact, you are posting to > alt.atheism, which is then read by (surprise surprise) atheists. > > Al- Hide quoted text - > No, since you were in sci.physics.relativity, I posted equations for relativity, which atheists did not want to discuss. Robert B. Winn |