Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 16 Jul 2008 23:33 On Jul 16, 9:37�am, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > <hhyaps...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:28be0ed1-17c0-4089-8117-c9b9f0392293(a)f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 15, 4:30 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > > > > > > Steve O wrote: > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > >news:a3c2b9ae-59ae-4bfd-b7cf-fcda98b26225(a)d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com.... > > >> On Jul 14, 5:12?pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > > >>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > >>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > > > >>> >> > Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry > > >>> Potter >> > has > > >>> >> > to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in > > >>> Harry > > >>> >> > Potter. > > > >>> >> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the > > >>> >> fact > > >>> >> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we > > >>> >> have > > >>> >> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. > > > >>> >> By your reasoning at least. > > > >>> > Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. > > >>> > Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. > > >>> > Robert B. Winn > > > >>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. > > > >>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible > > >>> Sheep exist today > > >>> The bible is accurate and there is a God > > > >>> -- > > >>> Steve O > > >> Well, no, Steve O. �Here is an example. �Atheists were claiming that > > >> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the > > >> Bible. �So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel? �These atheists had > > >> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel. �So after they looked it up, they > > >> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be > > >> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go > > >> to wizard's school. > > > > Here's where you get confused every time. (or deliberately lie) > > > When they said "nothing exists on earth today that could prove anything > > > in the bible" they were talking about the SPECIAL claims in the bible, > > > not the ordinary mundane things such as tunnels, sheep, goats or > > > shekels. > > > Yet, for some reason, you choose to lie about this and attribute claims > > > to atheists which �don't exist. > > > You are either a complete liar or you are stuck on stupid. > > > Both. > > Its fairly clear our robbo is probably schizoid, probably desperately > > confused, and probably on medication, and has access to a terminal.And > > is not the brightest candle in the coal mine. > > > He's desperately trying to put some meaning in his life, to make some > > sense of it, and the Bible is his latest bag. �It probably puts some > > hope in a hopeless life. > > > He's just smart enough to see what a mess his life is, but not smart > > enough to work out how to change it by himself: so naturally he looks > > for help. No one has probably given him any, but the bible makes him a > > promise. By fixating on the Jesus symbol, he at least has one constant > > thing to cling to and some hope. In short, he is addicted to Jesus. > > > It's probably slightly better than being addicted to smack, and its > > certainly a lot cheaper. > > > I've met more than a few robbos in my time. There's probably some > > intelligence there, but coupled to an unusual mental condition. Such > > peoples experience is not ordinary, and their attempts to make sense of > > it result in some pretty weird ways of thinking about it and dealing > > with it. Often they get involved in some cult or other. Or end up > > prematurely dead from drug overdoses and the like. Or go off the rails > > and start seeing visions and end up in the funny farm. > > Probably very true of rbwinn. > When he told us that he is a welder, I actually wrote some real advise > for him to work hard and look forward towards a retirement, instead of > wasting time in the church on Sundays. Sundays pay thrice as much. > However, my email could not get through... > ==================================== > Does anything ever 'get through' to him? > I very much doubt it. > > Smiler, > The godless one > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I do not plan to retire. What did you think, that I want to be useless like an atheist? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 16 Jul 2008 23:35 On Jul 16, 2:39�pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:37:39 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > >On Jul 15, 11:45?pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:08:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >If you are not posting in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity, then > >> >I will never see your posts. > > >> And neither will anyone else who is getting these fascinating > >> exchanges through the physics ngs. Why should he stop communicating > >> with the rest of them because _you_ don't want to read them? > > >> Linda ff > > >Well, for one thing, discussions of atheism are off topic in science > >newsgroups. > > Then why are you discussing it? > > Linda ff I was discussing the Lorentz equations and the Galilean transformation equations. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 16 Jul 2008 23:37 On Jul 16, 3:32�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:2c47d272-fec4-4636-bd37-2183f3f50f82(a)r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > On Jul 15, 1:53 am, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >> On Jul 15, 4:30 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > >> Probably very true of rbwinn. > >> When he told us that he is a welder, I actually wrote some real advise > >> for him to work hard and look forward towards a retirement, instead of > >> wasting time in the church on Sundays. Sundays pay thrice as much. > >> However, my email could not get through>> ] > > > Welding is fairly easy compared to picking oranges. �I should be able > > to keep welding until I am about 97 years old. > > Robert B. Winn > > Don't. > People get drier and crispier as they get older. > You are likely to catch fire if you keep welding until that age. > > -- > Steve O > a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter) > B.A.A.W.A. > Convicted by Earthquack > Exempt from purgatory by papal indulgence Well, we shall see. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 16 Jul 2008 23:50 On Jul 16, 4:23�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:df3e8e8b-d5b9-411f-8e21-b107c5eb038d(a)8g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > >> > I think they are related also. Scientists and atheists have a > >> > religion that believes in one miracle, length contraction. > > >> Aw, you go right on believing that. :-) > > Well, thank you for your permission. �Do you speak for all atheists or > > just for yourself? > > Robert B. Winn > > I think he's speaking for all atheists. > You can believe what the hell you like. > You can even believe there is a teapot in orbit around Jupiter if you really > want to. > Just don't expect us to believe you are not a loony if you do, and don't try > to push your silly beliefs in our faces without expecting a reaction. > > -- > Steve O Well, you were the one who thought of a teapot in orbit around Jupiter. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 16 Jul 2008 23:52
On Jul 16, 6:06 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has > >>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry > >>>>>>>>> Potter. > >>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact > >>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have > >>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. > >>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least. > >>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. > >>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. > >>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible > >>>>>> Sheep exist today > >>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Steve O > >>>>> Well, no, Steve O.  Here is an example.  Atheists were claiming that > >>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the > >>>>> Bible.  So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel?  These atheists had > >>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel.  So after they looked it up, they > >>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be > >>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go > >>>>> to wizard's school. > >>>> The original assertion remains in force.  Hezekiah's Tunnel does not > >>>> prove anything. > >>>>>   I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the > >>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel.  Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > >>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a > >>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. > >>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists. > >>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? > >>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of > >>> King's Cross Station. > >> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? > > >> -- > > Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings > > Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to > > the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. > > ....I see.  So, since the Harry Potter books do not detail the > construction of King's Cross Station, it's not a correct analogy? > > Okay, fine.  In one of the Harry Potter books, the head of the Ministry > of Magic visits the new Prime Minister of England and informs him of the > fight against the Dark Lord. > > Since this Harry Potter book describes the Prime Minister of England at > the time that he got into office and, since it coincided with Tony Blair > getting into office, that means that Harry Potter is true? > > -- > ****************************************************** > *      DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226       * Well, if you want to believe in Harry Potter, I am sure you will find a way to do it. Robert B. Winn |