Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 16 Jul 2008 22:40 On Jul 17, 5:22 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 15, 7:49 pm, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > On Jul 16, 12:08 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 15, 12:57 am, "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" > > > > <alwh...(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > On Jul 15, 3:58 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 14, 8:30�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > >news:66e61aa9-559f-4671-a2ea-6bc1905bebe9(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Jul 13, 6:28?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > >news:fc9d57b1-a5d8-4dea-b10c-2de186d77c39(a)m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 5:43?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > >news:43c4adf8-d379-4a72-815c-bc35c1c84eaf(a)b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 5:04?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > >news:6ebcae55-3c20-4ea3-960e-25f802c31860(a)s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > On Jul 10, 8:51?pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > > > > > > > > > >news:1b629e70-db18-4208-a3da-4381dcebabb4(a)p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 8, 8:45?pm, ben_dolan_...(a)reet.com (Ben Dolan) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There were some atheists who said Harry Potter went on the train > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > London to wizard's school. > > > > > > > > > > > > And once again, child, you have confused fiction with reality... > > > > > > > > > > > Harry Potter is fiction. ?The woman who wrote the books said it was > > > > > > > > > > fiction. ?I know this may come as a shock to atheists. > > > > > > > > > > =================================== > > > > > > > > > > > The bible is also fiction. We don't even know who wrote it. > > > > > > > > > > I know this may come as a shock to christians. > > > > > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > > > > > No, Smiler, the Bible tells about the construction of Hezekiah's > > > > > > > > > tunnel. ? Didn't we discuss this before. > > > > > > > > > ================================ > > > > > > > > > And the Harry Potter books tell us about Kings Cross station and > > > > > > > > > London. > > > > > > > > > Both the Harry Potter books and the bible are fiction. > > > > > > > > > Get over it. > > > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > > > If you want to believe that the Bible is fiction, it seems to me that > > > > > > > > you are free to believe that the Bible is fiction. ?I will tell you > > > > > > > > what. ?Why don't you decide for yourself what you believe, and I will > > > > > > > > decide for myself what I believe? ?Does this seem unfair to you? > > > > > > > > ============================================== > > > > > > > > Not unfair if you keep your stupid beliefs out of a.a. > > > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > > > The godless one > > > > > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > As I said, take sci.physics and sci.physics relativity out of the > > > > > > > header. > > > > > > > ==================================== > > > > > > > That won't stop your stupid comments from appearing in a.a., will it. > > > > > > > You take a.a. out of your header. > > > > > > > Think about it, Smiler. �I am not going to go to alt.atheism. �I have > > > > > > no interest in atheists. > > > > > > ============================ > > > > > > Then why do your lying posts appear in a.a., LIAR? > > > > > > > Smiler, > > > > > > The godless one > > > > > > a.a.# 2279- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Because you have not yet taken sci.physics and sci.physics relativity > > > > > out of the header. > > > > > Robert B. Winn > > > > > To remove your posts from alt.atheism, you would need to take a.a out > > > > of your headers. Us changing ours isn't going to change yours. > > > > Are you going to stop lying soon? > > > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > If you are not posting in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity, then > > > I will never see your posts. > > > Robert B. Winn > > > We don't care if you see our posts. We care that appropriate answers > > are given to your lies in the forum the lies are posted in. Secondary > > to that, is a wish that you will go away and stop posting to > > alt.atheism. > > > Al- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Well, I will believe that when you take sci.physics and > sci.physics.relativity out of the header. > Robert b. Winn I don't know why you keep bringing up flower pots. Al
From: Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al) on 16 Jul 2008 22:42 On Jul 17, 5:37 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 15, 11:45�pm, Linda Fox <linda...(a)ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:08:58 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > wrote: > > > >If you are not posting in sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity, then > > >I will never see your posts. > > > And neither will anyone else who is getting these fascinating > > exchanges through the physics ngs. Why should he stop communicating > > with the rest of them because _you_ don't want to read them? > > > Linda ff > > Well, for one thing, discussions of atheism are off topic in science > newsgroups. > Robert B. Winn But not in atheism newsgroups. Which is what a lot of us are reading. So, we're all perfectly on topic. Why don't you stop then? Al
From: rbwinn on 16 Jul 2008 23:15 On Jul 16, 12:48 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 15, 5:24 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 14, 8:27 pm, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 14, 5:12�pm, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: > >>>>>> "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > >>>>>>news:44f19f98-4d96-4419-a87a-d6bdbd73f31b(a)c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... > >>>>>>>>> Their idea is that if Hezekiah's tunnel exists, then Harry Potter has > >>>>>>>>> to be true because the train station in London is mentioned in Harry > >>>>>>>>> Potter. > >>>>>>>> Exactly. Since we know therefore that harry potter isn't true, the fact > >>>>>>>> of hezekiahs tunnel means the bible is obviously false. Since we have > >>>>>>>> true facts referred to in works of complete fiction. > >>>>>>>> By your reasoning at least. > >>>>>>> Well, you have it exactly as atheists have been telling me it is. > >>>>>>> Don't ask me what it is supposed to mean. > >>>>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>>>> Here is an example of rbwinn's logic. > >>>>>> Sheep are mentioned in the bible > >>>>>> Sheep exist today > >>>>>> The bible is accurate and there is a God > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Steve O > >>>>> Well, no, Steve O.  Here is an example.  Atheists were claiming that > >>>>> nothing existed on earth today that could prove anything in the > >>>>> Bible.  So I said, What about Hezekiah's tunnel?  These atheists had > >>>>> never heard of Hezekiah's tunnel.  So after they looked it up, they > >>>>> said, The fact that a tunnel exists no more proves the Bible to be > >>>>> true than Harry Potter leaving from the train station in London to go > >>>>> to wizard's school. > >>>> The original assertion remains in force.  Hezekiah's Tunnel does not > >>>> prove anything. > >>>>>   I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the > >>>>> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > >>>>> tunnel.  Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > >>>>> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a > >>>>> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. > >>>> For the same reason that King's Cross Station exists. > >>>> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? > >>> There is nothing in the Book of 2 Chronicles about the construction of > >>> King's Cross Station. > >> Wow, you REALLY aren't getting the analogy, are you? > > >> -- > > Well, if you can provide a description of the construction of Kings > > Cross station from the time it was built, maybe we could compare it to > > the Biblical account of the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel. > > Totally irrelevant to the point. Just to remind you: people make stuff > up about real places then write it down. Like in Harry Potter, like in > the Bible. Why believe it just because it includes a real place?- Hide I don't believe it because it includes a real place. I believe it because it is true. Robert B,. Winn
From: rbwinn on 16 Jul 2008 23:30 On Jul 16, 1:38�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:42:35 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > >> > Well, the construction of Hezekiah's tunnel was very remarkable. �But > >> > atheists do not like seeing remards about it. �Why is that? > > >> I have nothing against the tunnel. No, what I dislike is your butchery > >> of logic.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > >Well, choose for yourself what you like or dislike. �It means nothing > >to me. �If you or any other atheist decides to discuss the tunnel, > >come back and do it some time without trying to change the subject to > >Harry Potter. > > Making a comparison between two pieces of literature is hardly > changing the subject. So you think the Bible is like a Harry Potter book. What is the point of discussing it further with you then? Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 16 Jul 2008 23:31
On Jul 16, 2:04�pm, Stan-O <bndsna...(a)aol.com> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:29:26 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > wrote: > > >> Stalin was a Russian Orthodox and an alcoholic... > > >Josef Stalin said he was an atheist. �So atheists of today claim he > >was lying about that? > >Why did he try to end the Russian Orthodox Church if he believed in > >it? > > You'd have to understand Russian culture - they love to have tyrants > as rulers, regardless of what their philosophical beliefs are. Well, Stalin told people that he was an atheist. Why is it that you are now trying to portray him as a Russian Orthodox? Robert B. Winn |