Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: Smiler on 16 Jul 2008 21:35 "The Natural Philosopher" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:1216231518.12378.1(a)proxy00.news.clara.net... > Alex W. wrote: >> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message >> news:uspfk.10111$Ry7.4364(a)newsfe27.ams2... >>> "Alex W." <ingilt(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:6e39kiF53iljU1(a)mid.individual.net... >>>> "Smiler" <Smiler(a)Joe.King.com> wrote in message >>>> news:wJUek.31221$Zm1.24559(a)newsfe27.ams2... >>>>> "Dogmantic Pyrrhonist (AKA Al)" <alwhipp(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote in >>>>> message >>>>> news:c53beab3-625f-4b94-9ccf-fe315c8a1d25(a)c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Jul 14, 12:31 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> The more I learn about Europe, the less I want to go there. >>>>>> Robert B. Winn >>>>> Yes, some of THEM in Europe are educated. Wouldn't want to mix with >>>>> those types. >>>>> ============================================== >>>>> Correction: MOST of US in Europe are educated. >>>>> >>>> .... not to mention many of us in Britain .... >>> Since when has Britain *not* been in Europe? >>> >> >> Geographically or politically? >> Certainly culturally, we have more in common with North Americans, >> Australians, South Africans and a whole batch of miscellaneous >> ex-colonies than with any other European nation bar Ireland (which was >> also a British colony, once upon a time). In terms of religion, economy >> and politics, our history is significantly different from that of any >> other European nation. We are about as European as Russia, which is to >> say not that much at all. >> >> >> > speak for yourself. I personally find USA a lot more 'foreign' than > mainland Europe.. > Moi aussi :-) Smiler, The godless one a.a.# 2279
From: rbwinn on 17 Jul 2008 20:45 On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an > >>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > >>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. > >>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > >>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. > >>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > >>>>> million people. > >>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > >>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > >>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > >>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > >>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > >>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that > >>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > >>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > >>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in > >>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that > >>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or > >>>> away from religion. > >>>> TLA > >>> So was this John Towland an atheist? > >> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of > >> Hitler. > > >>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > >>> with the German people.  His actions in his life show that he did not > >>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > >> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who > >> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've > >> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and > >> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this > >> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more.. > >> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate > >> your humanity. > > >> TLA- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, I don't really see much evidence of it.  Stalin and Pol Pot were > > both atheists.  > > They were also both men.  So what? > > > But politicians who killed large numbers of people > > cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which > > was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. > > Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's > inauguration: Approximately 9 million > George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian > > What were you saying again? > > -- George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of Judicial dictatorship in the United States. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 17 Jul 2008 20:51 On Jul 17, 7:13�am, "Alex W." <ing...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:0463d3f5-d482-449d-adb0-81af090ba244(a)2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com... > > Miracles are manifestations of higher laws. > > ============ > > Statistical (im)probability is a higher law? Faith is a higher law. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 17 Jul 2008 20:54 On Jul 17, 7:44 am, Jon Green <jo...(a)deadspam.com> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 17, 5:24�am, Jon Green <jo...(a)deadspam.com> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> No, since you were in sci.physics.relativity, I posted equations for > >>> relativity, which atheists did not want to discuss. > >>> Robert B. Winn > >> Why would they want to? �Perhaps we (from cam.misc) ought to post random > >> stuff about Cambridge (UK), in the hope that physicists would want to > >> comment. �It's about as relevant. > > >> Blame the brain donor who cross-posted this selection of groups, not > >> their members. > > > Well, since you do not want to discuss relativity, why are you posting > > to sci.physics.relativity? > > Robert B. Winn > > I'm only pitching in to make a point, not to perpetuate a thread that's > long past its use-by date. > > And you're seeing my post because (1) I wanted to make my point to you > specifically, and (2) because the damn thread is cross-posted to all > four newsgroups. > > If you don't want the traffic anywhere but s.p.r, remove all but that > newsgroup from your responses, and the thread will fade away, because > the a.a people won't see your comments any more, and won't feel the need > to respond.  Or simply don't respond to anyone who's clearly posting > from a.a.  But that would spoil your "fun", wouldn't it? > > Most of the reason why the thread won't die is that a certain Robert > Winn has "contributed" about 560 messages to it so far, and won't stop > doing so, and won't remove any newsgroups from his replies. > > Physician, heal thyself.  (Luke 4:23, in case you wondered.) > > Jon I am not the one complaining about it. I do not really care. I was just pointing out to atheists that they have the means of making certain that they never see any posts from me. All they have to do is remove sci.physics and sci.physics.relativity out of the header. So far, none have done it. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 17 Jul 2008 20:56
On Jul 16, 4:58�pm, "Smiler" <Smi...(a)Joe.King.com> wrote: > "rbwinn" <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote in message > > news:f6171404-48a8-4914-bfdd-caf1ed05ecaa(a)a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 15, 1:18?am, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > > > > > > Linda Fox wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:23:59 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> ? I really believe that it certainly does prove certain verses in the > > >> Old Testament to be true which describe the digging of Hezekiah's > > >> tunnel. ?Otherwise, atheists need to explain why there is a tunnel > > >> exactly where the Bible in three books of the Old Testament says a > > >> tunnel was dug as a conduit for water. > > > > Not all of the OT is theology - quite a fair amount of it is standard > > > Jewish history, whether by aural tradition or, in the later books, > > > written. As a parallel, we don't know how much of what we have from > > > Homer is true of Greece and Troy, since that too is based on aural > > > tradition which means it would have been embroidered, or even > > > falsified, along the way. My own feeling about that is that much of > > > the dynastic detail (apart from things like Helen being born out of > > > Leda by Zeus as a swan) is possibly more reliable because when it was > > > being passed down that was likely to have been the only kind of > > > chronicle they could make; just a theory, though, and I doubt we'll > > > ever know. > > > > Linda ff > > > surely its oral ?- as in spoken - rather than aural, as in > > heard..tradition..? > > > But broadly I agree. The Bible (OT) is the history, philosophy, myhology > > and moral codes of a bunch of desert tribes. > > > The NT is a political document written by the romans to keep the > > barbarians in their place. > > > With probably as much historical acccuracy as 'Conan the Barbarian'- Hide > > quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > The only writer of the new Testament who was a Roman citizen was Paul. > ================================ > All the writers were Roman citizens. > No, only Paul. Robert B. Winn |