Does God need to prove He exists?
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From: rbwinn on 17 Jul 2008 21:18 On Jul 17, 1:05 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 16, 12:02 am, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 15, 12:25 am, hhyaps...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>>> On Jul 15, 11:17 am, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 14, 3:36�pm, cjcountess <cjcount...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Hi this is Conrad > >>>>>> To the three that did respond to my post, all I did is put the > >>>>>> evidence out there that the structure of the Universe is parallel to > >>>>>> and resembles the structure of the mind. I am confident enough to let > >>>>>> the evidence speak for itself and don't have to resort to childish > >>>>>> insults. Why some want to turn the Google dialogs into the goo goo > >>>>>> gaga childish dialogs I don't know but it is probably because of > >>>>>> frustration. > >>>>>> The evidence speaks for itself and anyone comparing objectively what > >>>>>> it says to what you say will see which is more correct. > >>>>>> I don't have to argue this point > >>>>>> Conrad > >>>>> Conrad, > >>>>>     Are you any good at math?  I am trying to figure out if the > >>>>> Lorentz equations predict a Doppler effect.  The result I keep getting > >>>>> is that the frequency and wavelength in the moving frame of reference > >>>>> are the same as the frequency and wavelegth in the frame of reference > >>>>> at rest. > >>>>> The reason I ask is because you said you had frequency figured into > >>>>> your equations. > >>>>> Robert B. Winn > >>>> No, he has the same level as you...high school standard and never > >>>> think straight, have lots of day dreaming, and always wishful > >>>> thinking. > >>>> But at least i cannot conclude if he is of the same mental problem as > >>>> you...- Hide quoted text - > >>>> - Show quoted text - > >>> High school graduates are the most open minded people with regard to > >>> relativity of time. > >> Possibly because they have among the most limited grasps of the subject > >> matter.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > Well, scientists will promote equations they know cannot be right > > because they make a lot of money doing it.  The only thing that would > > change the situation would be other scientists with equations that > > agree more closely with experiment, which is not likely to happen as > > long as the government is appropriating billions of dollars every year > > for accellerators, colliders, and other projects relating to the > > Lorentz equations. > > Yeah, a ton of money in scientific enquiry! All the scientists are > getting rich off our backs. If you have serious science to do, do it > seriously. Publish your results in the primary literature, and await > your Nobel prize. If you're a kook, just keep complaining on usenet. :-)- Hide quoted text - > I am doing it seriously. What matters are the equations, not the money. Robert B. Winn
From: rbwinn on 17 Jul 2008 21:22 On Jul 17, 1:08 pm, BuddyThunder <nos...(a)paradise.net.nz> wrote: > rbwinn wrote: > > On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >> rbwinn wrote: > >>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > >>>> rbwinn wrote: > >>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > >>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an > >>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > >>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. > >>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > >>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. > >>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > >>>>> million people. > >>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > >>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > >>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > >>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > >>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > >>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that > >>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > >>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > >>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in > >>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that > >>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or > >>>> away from religion. > >>>> TLA > >>> So was this John Towland an atheist? > >> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of > >> Hitler. > > >>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > >>> with the German people.  His actions in his life show that he did not > >>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > >> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who > >> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've > >> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and > >> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this > >> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more.. > >> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate > >> your humanity. > > >> TLA- Hide quoted text - > > > Well, I don't really see much evidence of it.  Stalin and Pol Pot were > > both atheists.  But politicians who killed large numbers of people > > cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which > > was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. > > Your vitriol against atheists is kinda cute in a psycho sort of way. > Where do I sign up for the genocides? I need to do my atheistic duty. Is > it the same place Mormons get their brains removed?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - All you have to do is vote for your pro-abortion politicians. That makes it pretty easy for homicidal people of today, doesn't it? However, my observation is that the blood of unborn children is not going to satisfy homicidal people forever. Eventually, they are going to demand a more active role in homicide. Robert B. Winn
From: DanielSan on 17 Jul 2008 21:47 rbwinn wrote: > On Jul 17, 5:42 am, DanielSan <daniel...(a)speakeasy.net> wrote: >> rbwinn wrote: >>> On Jul 17, 4:11 am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>> On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> rbwinn wrote: >>>>>>> On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>>>>>>>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an >>>>>>>>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins >>>>>>>>> because whatever they do is not sin. >>>>>>>> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is >>>>>>>> meaningless. In absolute terms. >>>>>>> Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 >>>>>>> million people. >>>>>> As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will >>>>>> always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). >>>>>> Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the >>>>>> indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. >>>>>> Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who >>>>>> seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that >>>>>> has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. >>>>>> There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that >>>>>> Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in >>>>>> both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that >>>>>> some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or >>>>>> away from religion. >>>>>> TLA >>>>> So was this John Towland an atheist? >>>> I have no idea, and it's not relevant anyway. He just wrote a biog of >>>> Hitler. >>>>> Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular >>>>> with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not >>>>> believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. >>>> ...and any psychopath with temporal lobe epilepsy or schizophrenia who >>>> believes that massacring groups or whole races is OK, because they've >>>> God on their side. However, the point that you're trying to dodge, and >>>> failing, is that as much evil is done in the name of religion, in this >>>> case Christian religion, as is done by those with none - probably more. >>>> If you don't find that an uncomfortable truth, you need to recalibrate >>>> your humanity. >>>> TLA- Hide quoted text - >>> Well, I don't really see much evidence of it. Stalin and Pol Pot were >>> both atheists. >> They were also both men. So what? >> >>> But politicians who killed large numbers of people >>> cannot compare with the numbers of people killed by abortion, which >>> was done by governments controlled by atheistic political factions. >> Number of abortions in United States since George W. Bush's >> inauguration: Approximately 9 million >> George W. Bush's religious affiliation: Christian >> >> What were you saying again? >> >> -- > > George W. Bush is completely irrelevant, as the next President of the > United States will be. All major decisions are made by the atheistic > Supreme Court, which at the present time holds the position of > Judicial dictatorship in the United States. Religious affiliations of Supreme Court Justices: Roberts: Roman Catholic Stevens: Protestant Scalia: Roman Catholic Kennedy: Roman Catholic Souter: Episcopalian Thomas: Roman Catholic Breyer: Jewish Alito: Roman Catholic Ginsburg: Jewish The Supreme Court follows the Constitution of the United States of America, the federal law of the land. What were you saying again? -- ****************************************************** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * "I distrust those people who know so well what God * * wants them to do because I notice it always * * coincides with their own desires." * * --Susan B. Anthony * ******************************************************
From: Stan-O on 17 Jul 2008 22:01 On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 18:13:39 -0700 (PDT), rbwinn <rbwinn3(a)juno.com> wrote: >> Can you not defend your beliefs? If the Bible is anything like you say >> it is, there shouldn't be so much far removed from reality in there. >> >> Flying broomsticks are more believable than a global flood.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >Well, I am sure that flying broomsticks are believable to atheists, >but that is irrelevant. The subject was the Bible, not sorcery or >flying broomsticks. Atheists always want to change the subject to >Harry Potter in any discussion. ....and if someone says that your wholly babble is no different than the numerous works of fantasy fiction, we know what your answer is going to be. It makes you an easy mark...
From: hhyapster on 17 Jul 2008 22:10
On Jul 16, 10:20 pm, rbwinn <rbwi...(a)juno.com> wrote: > On Jul 15, 6:39�am, The Loan Arranger <no...(a)nowhere.invalid> wrote: > > > > > rbwinn wrote: > > > On Jul 14, 10:38 pm, The Natural Philosopher <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > >>> So are you admitting that you have sins? �This would be a first for an > > >>> atheist. �All other atheists tell me that they do not have sins > > >>> because whatever they do is not sin. > > >> I have what YOU call sins. They aren't, because the concept is > > >> meaningless. In absolute terms. > > > > Right. �Atheist Josef Stalin said the same thing when he killed 12 > > > million people. > > > As opposed to Adolf Hitler ("I am now as before a Catholic and will > > always remain so." - quoted in John Towland's biog). > > > Not to mention several Popes, who were happy to ordain the > > indiscriminate massacres of Moslems in the name of the Cross. > > > Not to mention the Christian fundamentalist GWB (and his father), who > > seems happy to go to war against the people of any Moslem country that > > has the audacity not to kow-tow to his government's wishes. > > > There is no point in claiming that atheism breeds immorality, or that > > Christianity is the cure, because there are so many counter-examples in > > both cases that the only conclusion any sensible person can draw is that > > some people are good, some people are bad, and anyone can be drawn to or > > away from religion. > > > TLA > > So was this John Towland an atheist? > Anyway, Hitler was a politician saying what would make him popular > with the German people. His actions in his life show that he did not > believe he would be punished for sins, much like atheists of today. > Robert B. Winn You must be a hateful person, simply because of your lousy life. Sin is always in your mind that had been brainwashed into your brain cells...see the evil of your religion? Human being, regardless of who they are, are born not with any "sin"....sin is what is being planted into your head. The term sin is a meaningless word which is beyond your ability to comprehend. The children are all born beautiful and innocent. They learn, they grow and they contribute to this world...this is fundamental for human. The loons are different....they are born with sin and always need to ask for forgiveness, then commit sin again, then ask...a cycle and finally depart to serve their god, never contribute to this world. Yet they are as human as all others.\ Think deeply, if your brain cells can still function. |